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#6295 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [captain2] by allmet33 May 13, 2008 (1:01 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 12:48 pm) The funny thing here is...if you drive the Azera, Avalon or Maxima as it was intended...you will find a balance, a feel, a cohesiveness and a singularity of purpose. If you try to drive any of them in a manner as you would say a 335i...then no, balance, feel and purpose are out the window.   As sports cars, the Azera, Avalon and even the Maxima fall way short. However, as family sedans, the shine quite brightly. Of the 3, the Maxima would probably allow one the most amount of fun on winding mountain road (without an over-indulgence in exuberance). Even the Avalon would provide and exhilirating ride on such a road. The Azera, well...I can't say that much unless you want to drive by the seat of your pants...it's strongest characteristic is highway cruising.   I'm not sure why you feel that Hyundai doesn't get the power to the pavement, that's really not the problem. The problem is the fuel efficiency. Considering the Azera is right behind the Avalon in 0-60 time, with 5 less hp...it must get the power down pretty darn good. Replies to this message: captain2 (May 13, 2008 1:21 pm) tjc78 (May 13, 2008 5:22 pm) maximafan (May 13, 2008 9:02 pm)
#6296 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33] by louiswei May 13, 2008 (1:19 pm)
Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 7:28 am) So...since you don't play in the NBA...you're right, the information is useless   But I do play basketball, just not in NBA...   Since the Sonata doesn't play in the same "league" as the 5-series so IMO that is an useless fact.   Another example of useless fact is comparing a .300 hitter in AA to a .280 hitter in the Major Leagues, which is exactly what Hyundai did with the commercial.
#6297 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33] by captain2 May 13, 2008 (1:21 pm)
Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 1:01 pm) a 750iL or a S class etc. are every bit as much as a spacious 'family' sedan as Avalons or Azeras, yet for the extra 40 (or 50) large offer much, much more without any confusion with those particular cars being a 'sports' anything - as they should. My God, the things can weigh close to 5000 lbs. and be equipped with about every (malfunctioning) doo-dad known to mankind (and beyond), and almost demand a chauffeur and/or one of Bill Gates' computer programmers! This whole thread is not about Hyundai's 'inability' to get 'power to the pavement', Hyundai does it in a similar manner as almost all the cars we talk about here - it has to do with Hyundai's seeming affliction to represent their products as much more than they are or could possibly be.
#6298 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33] by tjc78 May 13, 2008 (5:22 pm)
Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 1:01 pm) Of the 3, the Maxima would probably allow one the most amount of fun on winding mountain road (without an over-indulgence in exuberance). Even the Avalon would provide and exhilirating ride on such a road   Having driven a Maxima in Montana on winding roads just recently I can tell you that although stiffer and slightly better steering feel the limitations of the weight and FWD show up really quick when taking the curves. I pushed the car through some, that it took nicely, however, my Avalon (softer XLS model, BTW) would have taken them as well just with more body roll and steering that would have you wondering what was going on at times. It was a nice sporty "feel" but no doubt I was reminded what I was driving a few times. OTOH... on some nice deserted straightaways me and the VQ got very well acquainted   On another note, if you ever get the chance Montana is possibly one of the most beautiful places I have ever been in this country. I was working with a customer and had an afternoon before I left to go exploring. Wish I had more time. Replies to this message: maximafan (May 13, 2008 9:02 pm)
#6299 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [captain2] by maximafan May 13, 2008 (8:58 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 8:33 am) I agree wholeheartedly with you on this, Captain. All Hyundai is doing these days is literally copycatting other cars that are on the market today both on the exteriors and interiors, such as Veracruz-Lexus RX350, Azera-Lexus LS, Genesis-BMW 5-Series. While I'll be the first to admit that the Hyundai products are looking much better than they have in the past, they're not being innovative or adding something distinctive, except for maybe some price differences. Ditto, the advertisements coming out from Hyundai haven't swayed me a bit! Replies to this message: captain2 (May 14, 2008 5:33 am) jaymagic (May 14, 2008 7:13 am) allmet33 (May 14, 2008 7:18 am) captain2 (May 14, 2008 9:10 am)
#6300 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [tjc78] by maximafan May 13, 2008 (9:02 pm)
Replying to: tjc78 (May 13, 2008 5:22 pm) Montana is beautiful country!! I'll never forget the trip me and my dad took out west in 1991. We took my 1988 Mazda RX-7 that I was driving at the time all the way out to Montana, Wyoming and South Dakota. It truly is God's country out there! I would love to do that trip again some day!
#6301 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33] by maximafan May 13, 2008 (9:08 pm)
Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 9:03 am) "But they have a pretty strong foothold on that, and the Azera, Veracruz have proven it."    If that's true, then how come I hardly see any of these two particular cars on the road where I live(Tampa, Florida, by the way), especially the Veracruz??? Replies to this message: allmet33 (May 14, 2008 6:18 am)
#6302 of 6844 Guys by pat HOST May 14, 2008 (4:14 am)
We've been off-topic for a while now. Let's get back to the mainstream large sedans.
#6303 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [maximafan] by captain2 May 14, 2008 (5:33 am)
Replying to: maximafan (May 13, 2008 8:58 pm) All Hyundai is doing these days is literally copycatting other cars that are on the market today In all fairness isn't this exactly what the Japanese did 30 years ago or so and furthermore are any of these cars truly different from a styling standpoint? My problem with Hyundai really has nothing to do with its products, which while the jury may still be out on their latest round of creations, they are unarguably substantial improvements on some real garbage that Hyundai produced not to long ago. It has to do with 'the boy crying wolf'. As long as any car company is going to insist on making ridiculous claims and/or comparisons, I will pay less and less attention to them even to the point of dismissing any future claims just because of who they came from - kinda of like that boy who cried 'wolf'. Hyundai, perhaps unfortunately, still has a long way to come to gain the public's confidences and the way that they choose to present these new products does nothing but hurt those perceptions IMO. Replies to this message: jaymagic (May 14, 2008 7:13 am) allmet33 (May 14, 2008 7:18 am) captain2 (May 14, 2008 9:10 am)
#6304 of 6844 Re: Not sure how to look at it... [maximafan] by allmet33 May 14, 2008 (6:18 am)
Replying to: maximafan (May 13, 2008 9:08 pm) Just because you don't see a lot of them doesn't mean they aren't good products. You have to remember...the general public is still holding Hyundai's past against them and truly having a hard time digesting a Hyundai that costs $30K+. The statement I made was in reference to Hyundai's ability to produce much better cars than their past would indicate.   In the DC area, I can say now I'm starting to see as many Veracruzes as I am Azeras.

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