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Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 6:27 am) Does one really exist?? On another note a colleague had a Dodge Charger rental recently with the 2.7 V6.... it had so little power that he argued with me it was a 4cyl. It just makes me wonder why on Earth they even put that engine in that car. Must be for the fleets. |
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Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 6:27 am) |
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 6:41 am) But isn't that indeed what they DID say - something about the HP/acceleration compared to a 528 if I recall correctly., not to mention other claims about interior space etc - something that would technically be true if they were comparing the BMW to a minivan! The reason I mention Hyundai's ads specifically is that they (like these Ford claims) strain any reasonable definition of creditability and really just need to be laughed at. They both could use a new advertising agency.
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 6:41 am) Yeah, that a fact but a useless one just like when I say that I am taller than Chris Paul... 
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Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 7:19 am) Hyundai used factual information in their comparisons, where as Ford is making a claim that is substantiated by what?
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Replying to: louiswei (May 13, 2008 7:22 am) Depends on who is looking at the information. If you were a point guard in the NBA, then it would mean something. The Sonata and 528 are mid-size sedans, with a huge price gap between the two. Simply put...Hyundai simply said you can get a mid-sized sedan with more horsepower and more interior space than a 5-Series for MUCH less. So...since you don't play in the NBA...you're right, the information is useless.
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 7:25 am) possibly only by improvements in a Mexican built sedan - who knows - only their advertising agency knows for sure. That Hyundai should even mention a BMW anything, in any context, is a joke all by itself, is a mistake on Hyundai's part, and yes things like this are definitely a pet peeve of mine - anything (or anybody) pretending to be something it plainly isn't.
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Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 7:36 am) Here are the facts: Sonata / 528 Curb weight: 3458 / 3505 Horsepower: 234 / 230 Torque: 226 / 200 Max horsepower: 6000 / 6500 rpm Max torque: 3500 / 2750 rpm Okay...so the hp claim has been substantiated. Can it out accelerate a 528...good question. The 528 hits it's max torque quicker, but the Sonata reaches max hp quicker and has more torque, however...the Sonata is a tad bit lighter than the 528 too. Now...let's talk about interior space... Front head room: 40.1 / 37.7 Front shoulder room: 57.4 / 57.3 Front leg room: 43.7 / 41.5 Rear head room: 38.2 / 37 Rear shoulder room: 56.9 / 57.2 Rear leg room: 37.4 / 36 Luggage capacity: 16.3 / 14 cu. ft. Once again, substantiated fact that the Sonata has more interior space than the 528...hands down! Now...show me or tell me at what point Hyundai ever said they were trying to get one to believe that they were trying to sell something like a 528. Show me where it is said that Hyundai mentions a Soanta providing the performance of a 528. Show me where Hyundai states that the Sonata offers the driving dynamics of a 528 for much less. My friend, all that has been said is...more horsepower and more room than a 5-Series for much less. A 5-Series starts out around $44K (MSRP) and the Sonata starts out around $24K (MSRP). I guess a $20K difference DEFINITELY qualifies it as MUCH less as well. Hyundai isn't pretending to be anything but a company that provides consumers with value based options that actually exceed what one might think a value based product should be about. It's okay to be peeved, simply because you've been brainwashed into believing that things MUST be a certain way or follow a certain order. Like I said before, Hyundai is breaking the mold of what an auto manufacturer is supposed to be...and it's making a lot of folks nervous.
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 8:00 am) Hyundai seems to be doing nothing but pretending these days, whether it be a be a Veracruz, Sonata, Azera, or even the 'never to be seen' Genesis, I'm not sure that they are not pretending to be a whole lot more than what they think. Maybe what they really need to do is find out what they can about the Azera as related to a 7 series or an LS etc. etc. As I said, a new advertising agency would certainly help IMO.
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Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 8:33 am) Wow...on one hand you give props on the Azera, but yet...you turn around and say Hyundai is a pretender. Pray tell, just what are they pretending? Is there increased success pretend? Is the whole "bang for buck" premise pretend? Is their improved quality ratings pretend? Please, tell me what it is they are pretending to be. I've had two Hyudai vehicles in the last 6 years, I put 105K miles on one in 4 years and I have around 50K miles on my current one in 2 years...neither have given me any problems or cost me any money outside of regular maintenance. I guess I'm pretending too, huh? You're funny. Actually...the Azera has been rightfully compared to the likes of the Avalon and Maxima. However, the upcoming Genesis has been compared to the S-Class and 7-Series...remember? More room than either! It's just eating you up and you know what...I LOVE IT!!!  Oh yeah, we won't even mention the Veracruz comparo that was done against the Lexus RX...successfully I might add. Yeah...that's some serious pretending. 
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