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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus -- Half the Picture [cdmuile]
by carolinabob
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Apr 30, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: cdmuile (Apr 14, 2008 5:38 pm)
Thank goodness Hyundai did not buy Jaguar. Jag is pretty and runs fast, but has very low reliability and very high repair costs. It would not help Hyundai become a really big player to saddle itself with an expensive, low volume, unreliable car.
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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus -- Half the Picture [carolinabob]
by captain2
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May 01, 2008 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Apr 30, 2008 12:14 pm)
while it is difficult to defend any British car in terms or reliability, I believe that you can point to the degree of sophistication in Jaguars (just like BMWs and MBs) as the real culprit for that checkered reliability. If there is one thing that Ford did help Jaguar do it probably is improving that reliability. Hyundai (as well as any of the other Korean mfgrs.) does not have a presence in the luxury end of things. Now they are seemingly wanting to get in that market - what better way then to call that car a Jaguar mark it up another $10 grand, and further try to insulate it from consumer reliability concerns with that infamous warranty of theirs? Win-win?
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If Hyundai had bought Jaguar, [carolinabob]
by tonycd
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May 02, 2008 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Apr 30, 2008 12:14 pm)
my thought was that they'd mostly buy the brand and its image more than the cars. For instance, the Genesis in some guise would become a Jaguar, much as the unseen parts of the VW Phaeton are now the guts of a "Bentley." It's the upmarket image of the name Hyundai needs -- not, as you aptly point out, the engineering.
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Not sure how to look at it...
by allmet33
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May 12, 2008 (8:02 am)
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is the glass half full or half empty? The newest Ford commercials that have thrown the guantlet down and said that Ford products are equal to Toyota products in quality. Of course, that's a boost for Ford, but one heck of a knock against Toyota.
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33]
by tjc78
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May 12, 2008 (8:18 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 12, 2008 8:02 am)
On one of the commercials they said Honda too....No doubt Ford's quality is much better lately. I really am surprised that I am not seeing more of the new Taurus/Sable on the road. For the $$ its hard to beat.
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [tjc78]
by allmet33
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May 12, 2008 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (May 12, 2008 8:18 am)
I would agree that FoMoCo's quality is better, but equal to Toyota & Honda...that would seem a stretch. Unless they are saying that Toyota/Honda's quality is slipping a bit. I'm not sure what part of the country you're in, but here in the DC Metro area...you see plenty of Taurus cars on the road.
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33]
by tjc78
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May 12, 2008 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 12, 2008 8:21 am)
I live in Southern NJ right outside Philly. I really don't see that many. More so than a few months ago, but I guess I expected more. Think early/mid 90s, they were everywhere. Heck I even had one... (or should I say I shared ownership the service department at Echelon Ford  )
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33]
by captain2
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May 13, 2008 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 12, 2008 8:21 am)
Beauty, in some cases, in the eye of the beholder and whoever is doing the research. If FoMoCo for example is using JDP (and its variety of changeable 'made to fit' award definitions) then sure you can get me to NOT believe anything. OTH although the Fusion in particular has been doing very well and certainly the equal of the current Camry in regards to reliability - the balance of the Ford line (including the 500/Taurus) is unremarkable. Hyundai has much the same situation with the Sonata doing relatively well while the rest of the line has its worts. The problem for the Toyotas of the world is more likely that the buyer of a Toyota/Honda (and even Nissan to a lesser degree) EXPECT that superior reliability comes with the nameplate (and indeed spend more for it) , and it becomes headlines when one doesn't (like when CR makes the news for removing the Camry from its 'automatically' recommended list)- as opposed to some other manufacturers in this group that it becomes headlines when one does!
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [captain2]
by allmet33
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May 13, 2008 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 5:53 am)
I can understand if Ford as a whole was doing that much better, but to base it on the success of t he Fusion and the Edge...that seems crazy! I can further understand if the commercial were about one vehicle, like the Fusion and they said that it equalled the quality of the Camry, but they way they are making it seem...that Ford, as a whole, rivals Toyota...as a whole. While I can say that Ford has greatly improved their products, it would be a stretch for me to cast them in the same quality "pool" with Toyota.
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Re: Not sure how to look at it... [allmet33]
by captain2
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May 13, 2008 (6:27 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (May 13, 2008 6:06 am)
just like 'comparos' that might 'hint' that a Sonata is comparable to a BMW 5 series - Ford can also make whatever claims it might want based on whatever it wants even if it is ONLY considering the Fusion - it is things like this that advertising campaigns feed on.
I, for one, will believe Ford's claims once it shows me the same sort of reliabilties etc. LINE wide and probably as confirmed by some organization that is not in it for the money...
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