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#6235 of 6844 Re: Horrors, I agree with captain. [bobber1] by smithed Apr 18, 2008 (4:48 am)
Replying to: bobber1 (Apr 17, 2008 4:54 pm) Question: Is the plural of Taurus Tauruses or Tauri?
#6236 of 6844 Re: How stupid must you be to buy a Ford !!?? [kscng] by tjc78 Apr 18, 2008 (4:55 am)
Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 9:19 pm) And what kind of idiot would change name of #1 selling car (Taurus) to a numeric name like 500??   Uh... name from the past! It worked for Chrysler so Ford copied it. BTW the Taurus and 500 were being produced at the same time ('05 and '06). Also, the Taurus was never a full size car. The 500 has done pretty well in the reliability department. Its biggest problem was the anemic engine and overly conservative looks. As others posters have mentioned where are you going to get over 250 HP+, decent FE, and tons of room for 21 - 22 K OTD. I'll tell you.... nowhere! The only problem is it will depreciate like crazy, but if you are keeping it over 6 - 7 years that shouldn't be as big a problem.
#6237 of 6844 Re: 4.0L Ford engine OHC not pushrod--Captain [batista] by captain2 Apr 18, 2008 (5:16 am)
Replying to: batista (Apr 17, 2008 4:50 pm) Stand corrected then BUT all the more reason then for Ford to be ashamed of itself, because the engine sure sounds and feels like there are some pushrods in it. It's terrible. The Mustang at least temporarily has a vehicle class all to itself, and is arguably about the only Ford product that is 'lusted' for. Many of the bigger/heavier V6 cars listed above will blow its doors off and you don't even have to wear a kidney belt doing it.
#6238 of 6844 Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [autokritiker] by captain2 Apr 18, 2008 (5:19 am)
Replying to: autokritiker (Apr 17, 2008 11:23 am) the new 3.5L Duratec hooked up to the same 6-speed automatic gets 2 MPG better on the Highway, and 1 MPG better combined compared to the 2007 Five Hundred with the old 3.0L Duratec maybe according to the EPA but exactly the opposite of what CR found in their recent test. Replies to this message: ronsmith38 (Apr 18, 2008 6:51 am) captain2 (Apr 18, 2008 7:24 am) cobrazera (Apr 19, 2008 1:25 am)
#6239 of 6844 Re: Horrors, I agree with captain. [bobber1] by captain2 Apr 18, 2008 (5:40 am)
Replying to: bobber1 (Apr 17, 2008 4:54 pm) I've driven plenty of GM push rod engines and they are darn durable and get relatively good mileage  anybody over the age of 35 or 40 has likely spent a lot of time with something like the GM 3.8 - they only produced 25 million of them and maybe enough of them to iron out a few kinks. GM has historically put a ridiculous 'highway' gear in their cars so that 1) the car couldn't hold that gear on anything other than a billiard table and 2) it would do pretty well under those circumstances - highway FE. It remains a dinosaur however that has long since been surpassed in whatever criteria you might choose even by GMs own 3.6.
#6240 of 6844 Re: Horrors, I agree with captain. [captain2] by allmet33 Apr 18, 2008 (5:47 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Apr 17, 2008 1:36 pm) Oh...trust me...even though we've only been married for 7, we've been together for 12 years. I've learned how to pick my battles and when to throw the white flag up. However, I've gotten pretty good at knowing how she thinks (a lil bit).
#6241 of 6844 Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [captain2] by ronsmith38 Apr 18, 2008 (6:51 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Apr 18, 2008 5:19 am) "the new 3.5L Duratec hooked up to the same 6-speed automatic gets 2 MPG better on the Highway, and 1 MPG better combined compared to the 2007 Five Hundred with the old 3.0L Duratec" "maybe according to the EPA but exactly the opposite of what CR found in their recent test."   I saw the CR report, but the car they tested must have been a lemon, or the tester was smoking something. I have a 2008 Sable that gets close to or better than the EPA of 18 around town, and I just completed a trip of over 1000 miles in the rolling hills and mountains of NC, VA and PA ( routes 77, 81, 70) where I got between 28 and 29 mpg. Other 2008 Taurus and Sable owners have reported similar results. Replies to this message: captain2 (Apr 18, 2008 7:24 am) cobrazera (Apr 19, 2008 1:25 am)
#6242 of 6844 Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [ronsmith38] by captain2 Apr 18, 2008 (7:24 am)
Replying to: ronsmith38 (Apr 18, 2008 6:51 am) but the car they tested must have been a lemon, or the tester was smoking something all FE results are relative to the driver and his/her habits - CR I believe has a set 195 mile test loop that includes some highway driving as well as 'city'. They reported 18 mpg overall where things like the Avalon got 21 and the 'relative' gas hog Azera even got 19. Don't know if the car was a 'lemon' (that might be reaching a bit) or the tester was 'smoking something' (that is reaching a bunch), but they noted specifically that while the engine now had better power that it was at the penalty of FE - relative to results those same folks got with the 3.0. High 20s on the highway, while good by most definitions, is not especially remarkable for these cars anymore Replies to this message: cobrazera (Apr 19, 2008 1:25 am)
#6244 of 6844 Re: How stupid must you be to buy a Ford !!?? [kscng] by captain2 Apr 18, 2008 (9:33 am)
Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 9:19 pm) ended up being a piece of junk Ford   being a little hard on it? Just maybe? While I'll be the first to criticize both Ford and their engines, I also believe that there is substantial evidence that the era of 'junk Fords' has passed. The 500/Taurus has been at least 'average' in most quality/reliability ratings and the Fusion has been doing better than that. Ford's real problems are obviously financial IMO and as that effects new product development and improvement.

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