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6844 messages,  Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [allmet33] by tjc78
Apr 16, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Apr 16, 2008 10:28 am)

Same reason GM has 4 versions of the Lambda platform
 
Just imagine if Olds was still around, they may have 5. How many versions of the Trailblazer are there? I think even Saab has one. Just crazy IMO.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [tjc78] by allmet33
Apr 16, 2008 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Apr 16, 2008 11:14 am)

You're absolutely right!
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [allmet33] by pat HOST
Apr 16, 2008 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Apr 16, 2008 12:20 pm)

And on that note, let's head back to the subject, 'kay?
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [pat] by louiswei
Apr 16, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Apr 16, 2008 12:38 pm)

Pat, I have a suggestion, why don't we turn this place into "Large Sedan Lounge" so the regulars here can talk about anything that's interesting in the large sedan market without a strict boundary? I have faith in the regulars here that we all respect each other (to a degree ) so we are fully capable of taking care ourselves without much of the "baby sitting" just like in the Luxury Lounge.
 
What do you think?
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [allmet33] by captain2
Apr 16, 2008 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Apr 16, 2008 10:44 am)

Ford messed up when they changed the name to the 500 and folks weren't buying, so they changed it back to Taurus to give buyers something to recognize.
Some of us are old enough to remember Galaxy 500s , not that I can recall anything remarkable about that particular car.
 
but no matter
 
they changed it back to Taurus to give buyers something to recognize.
 
and then to their amazement they discovered that they had ruined that name as well - and it still doesn't sell. The Taurus was a pretty contemporary (and successful) car 20 years ago or so.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [allmet33] by captain2
Apr 16, 2008 (1:47 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Apr 16, 2008 10:44 am)

BTW, I think you'll find that the current 500/Taurus isn't really related to the previous generations of Tauri at all (except for possibly that wonderful DT 3.0 that (unfortunately) was reused). The current Taurus coming instead courtesy of a Volvo S80- perhaps the reason for the car's height, boxier proportions, and generally good safety ratings.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [allmet33] by kdshapiro
Apr 16, 2008 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Apr 16, 2008 10:26 am)

If you noticed they also said direct injection to be used to increase power to equal the power of a V-8,
 
Maybe their V8, not a BMW V8.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [captain2] by autokritiker
Apr 16, 2008 (2:35 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Apr 16, 2008 10:38 am)

[the Taurus is really the same car as the old Five Hundred with the same basic engine but with 60 added horsies]
 
I've heard this repeatedly now: "the Duratec 3.5L is just a bigger version of the old unrefined Duratec 3.0L."
 
It actually takes a lot more than just bumping up displacement by 0.5L to get an additional 60 HP. Just like comparing the Lexus ES300 (210 HP) to the ES350 (272 HP). They had to do a lot more than just increase displacement to get that additional 62 HP.
 
The fact that they kept the "Duratec" label means nothing. They've done it before: look at the first year of the "Triton" 5.4L V8 in the 1997 F-series. It made only 230 HP. The current "Triton" 5.4L makes 300 HP and provides better fuel economy. Both engines have the same label, but other than displacement, they have little in common internally.
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Re: Good reliability isn't Jaguar's problem. [tonycd] by smithed
Apr 17, 2008 (4:14 am)
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Replying to: tonycd (Apr 16, 2008 7:06 am)

Thanks,
 
That's a good analysis of what happened. Trying to make Fords out of Jaguar.

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