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Re: 2009 Maxima [scwmcan] CHANGES ??? [lightfootfl] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78]
by captain2
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Mar 27, 2008 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 27, 2008 10:52 am)
the interior is so much better than the previous generation
if there is one common complaint about Nissan products this is probably it. The 2002 Altima was revolutionary in many respects but with an interior lacking in comparison to Camrys/Accords, same could be said for the G35 in its class, and the Maximas in its various renditions. I don't think Nissan really learned to make a nice interior until the 05 Ms, the new Maxima quite similar (and quite a bit better) - there seems to be a 'richness' to it never seen before in that car.
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- #6022 of 6844
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Re: 2009 Maxima [scwmcan] CHANGES ??? [lightfootfl] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [captain2]
by tjc78
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Mar 27, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 27, 2008 11:12 am)
The interior was a big turn off to me when I last drove a Max. The new generation looks to have fixed that. I still worry about the car having a CVT, but only a test drive will settle that.
Here is a nice article click here
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- #6023 of 6844
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Re: 2009 Maxima [scwmcan] CHANGES ??? [lightfootfl] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78]
by cdmuile
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Mar 27, 2008 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 27, 2008 2:27 pm)
Re the CVT: We just got a new Rogue. Forget everything you know about an auto tranny. The CVT is wierd to say the least. It seems to maximize FE while seemingly searching around alot. Not really, just your perception. We've had the car for about 3 months now and I kinda like the CVT. It'll take more than a test spin around the block before you can form an opinion. It does get the power to the drive wheels in the most efficient manner. Still, it feels strange.
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- #6024 of 6844
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Re: 2009 Maxima [scwmcan] CHANGES ??? [lightfootfl] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [cdmuile]
by tjc78
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Mar 28, 2008 (1:41 am)
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Replying to: cdmuile (Mar 27, 2008 6:10 pm)
I experienced it in a Ford 500 and absolutely hated it. However, in all fairness, that car is underpowered to begin with. So, I'll give it another shot once the Max comes out. It certainly seems to be somewhat like a traditional auto with the switchable ratios (or whatever they are calling it) that you can change with the paddle shifters.
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- #6025 of 6844
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Re: 2009 Maxima [scwmcan] CHANGES ??? [lightfootfl] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [cdmuile]
by captain2
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Mar 28, 2008 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: cdmuile (Mar 27, 2008 6:10 pm)
It'll take more than a test spin around the block before you can form an opinion.
and this may be a problem for Nissan trying to restablish the Maxima, especially on the 'sporty' side of things - people do buy cars based on a test drive. The same people that would appreciate the Maxima's power and 'tightness' are the same ones that'll likely not to like the CVT. It used to be that CVTs didn't hold up real well in high HP/torque applications and was a transmission choice for the econoboxes of the world - Nissan has apparently solved that, but you would still have to wonder what makes their CVT so much better.
An interesting decision though to keep the CVT while trying to revive the whole 4DSC thing. A seeming contradiction. I have a sneaking suspicion that the CVT is something my wife would love, and something I might not. BUT I do understand who really makes decisions in my house 
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- #6026 of 6844
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TCO numbers
by captain2
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Mar 28, 2008 (6:47 am)
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a source for cost of ownership numbers. Nothing too terribly surprising other than for those cars that are perceived to be the 'best values' that this is NOT necessarily the case.
http://www.automobilemag.com/new_car_costs/01/toyota/index.html
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- #6027 of 6844
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Re: 2009 Maxima [scwmcan] CHANGES ??? [lightfootfl] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [cdmuile]
by vic10
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Mar 28, 2008 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: cdmuile (Mar 27, 2008 6:10 pm)
With people now dissing 4-speed trannies, some even the 5-speed, and Lexus having an 8-speed, you'd think CVT would be utter perfection for all. Personally I think a good 3-speed will give you great performance if the engine has a wide enough power and torque band...and maybe a 4th for overdrive highway cruising. More than that can cause gear hunting if the algorithms aren't right. And with today's "learning" transmissions, that hunting is sometimes exaggerated. I've driven a Cadillac DTS with the Northstar V8 and 4-speed, and a STS with the Northstar and 6-speed and I found the 4 speed to be a better match for that engine for just that reason.
As one of my favorite lines from the movies goes: Sometimes more isn't better, it's just more.....
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- #6028 of 6844
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Re: TCO numbers [captain2]
by tjc78
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Mar 28, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 28, 2008 6:47 am)
The Azera actually comes out $1900 more than the Avalon.... but you knew that already, didn't you 
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- #6029 of 6844
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Re: TCO numbers [tjc78]
by captain2
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Mar 28, 2008 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 28, 2008 10:08 am)
the number that surprises me is that the first year depreciation on the Azera at $7k is about double the Avalon $3.5k - keeping in mind these TCO numbers are for 'base' models. According to these numbers, the Avalon would recover pretty much all its purchase premium really quickly bought new but it also says that the Azera is far and away a cheaper car to own if I buy them one year old. You have to wonder if the 'Korean car' rep combined with the non-transferrability of that warranty isn't the culprit.
This site does allow you to run the TCO of about any car you'd like pretty easily and will also give you TCO numbers for the higher (more expensive) trim models. It is kinda amazing that the top 3 in the TCO sweepstakes (Av/MaxAzzy) are the same 3 cars that dominate CR rankings and generaaly the mag. comparos.
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- #6030 of 6844
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Re: 2009 Maxima [scwmcan] CHANGES ??? [lightfootfl] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [captain2] [tjc78] [cdmuile] [vic10]
by captain2
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Mar 28, 2008 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: vic10 (Mar 28, 2008 9:59 am)
true, but I think it is also true that the CVT is much simplier and less to repair (more like those 'old fashioned' 4 speeds you mention) than these new 6 speed + jobs where a $3 or $4k rebuild is common.
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