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Replying to: oilcan2 (Jul 28, 2006 3:45 am) Too if the 400 lbs extra weight (from another post, haven't verified) for the Lucerne doesn't cost a small gas penalty I'd be surprised. But I'd also be surprised to find the real world driving difference to be more than 1 mpg. I'll take the smooth and quiet of the Lucerne. You're welcome to your opinion just like I have mine. >1960's 6 by 9 rear speakers compared to the Avalons powered subwoofer, I find the 8 RDS radio speakers in my 03 LeSabre more than adequate for anything we play. Otherwise I can listen to my AR3a at home.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 28, 2006 5:10 am)
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Replying to: luvmbooty (Jul 27, 2006 10:00 pm) if what you mean is favorite 'American branded' car - then, I would have to give a passing nod to Ford/Volvo for the 500. IMPO I think the exterior styling is way too conservative but the interior design and space is outstanding with a fit/finish that's almost too good to be Ford. The 500 has potential - but no heart! The 300 is obviously a love-it or hate-it styling exercise (Chrysler always been good at that). IMO the one to have is the Touring/Ltd. with the 3.5 V6. The 300C (Hemi) from what I understand has been a disaster from a reliability standpoint and FE is terrible. The enthusiast magazines have done a number of comparisons - C&D 07-05, and a more recent MT article. LaCrosse, 500, 300, Maxima, Amanti, Azera, Passat all tested along with the Avalon. All these tests the Avalon came out on top - the car that those who are uninformed think is a 'stretched' Camry. If you want power: the Avalon, Maxima and Passat V6 are all very close but if you also want FE, nobody is close to the Avalon. CR, of course, has it rated as the best large sedan they have ever tested, along with the Acura TL. And if you do some investigation, you may find out that more of your money is staying here in the US buying that Toyota or Nissan, than it is with many of the other choices.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 28, 2006 5:06 am) Okay, so they share platform but what's your point exactly? The point tjc78 was trying to make is that the new Avalon is build on a brand new platform and that's being confirmed with his source and your source as well. Since both of y'all proved that it's build on a brand new platform what's the point of argument here? Also, let me remind you this: the new generation Avalon came out before the new Camry so the new platform was first used on the Avalon other than Camry. So instead of saying the Avalon uses a streched Camry platform it's more like Camry is sitting on a shortened Avalon Platofrm. I know this argument is kind of pointless but I hope you see my point. |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 28, 2006 5:39 am) |
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 28, 2006 6:17 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 28, 2006 6:17 am) I know this argument is kind of pointless but I hope you see my point. ******************** ******************** ******************** Quote from Edmunds: 2005 Full-Size Sedan Comparison Test First Place: 2005 Toyota Avalon By Erin Riches Date posted: 03-22-2005 Americans may have invented the full-size sedan, but leave it to Toyota to figure out what we like and build a car that knocks the wind out of the domestics…again. And since the 2005 Toyota Avalon is assembled in Georgetown, Kentucky, by U.S. workers, even those with Old Glory tattooed on their chests will have little reason to deny themselves this excellent car. Inside, the Toyota is a luxury liner with room to spare in every direction and refinement oozing from every surface. Of course if you're a serious enthusiast, the Avalon will never deliver the back-roads thrills of the rear-drive Chrysler 300, but it did beat the 300 in every measurable performance category. Discreetly Fast Redesigned from the ground up, the Avalon now rides on a stretched version of the current Camry platform. Its sheet metal is crisp and modern, yet unremarkable next to the Chrysler 300's. The Toyota looks like a pleasant car, but not a fast one |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 28, 2006 6:45 am) 
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 28, 2006 6:50 am) However, the new Avalon does use a brand new designed engine though, shared with the Camry and ES350. |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 28, 2006 6:45 am) Maybe Nissan will make the mistake of 'buying' GM and, in the process, make GM a player in the car business again. |
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