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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

6844 messages,  Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [cobrazera] by dborth
Mar 21, 2008 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Mar 21, 2008 1:54 am)

Pontiac has a very long history in racing: NASCAR in the fifties and sixties, Trans Am in the late sixties and early seventies, as well as being very active in drag racing for years. They have fielded an exotic road racer most recently. Their Trans Am models have been in the marketplace until very recently, and if you've ever driven a WS6 T/A, you'd know what performance is.
 
Hmmmm...I thought this thread was "mainstream large sedans". Kind of like the Catalina / Bonneville sedans with 389ci / Tri-Power of the late 50's and early 60's.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [tjc78] by captain2
Mar 21, 2008 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 21, 2008 7:00 am)

G8 will get some people into the showroom
 
I would be one of those people, 3 years ago there was nothing on Pontiac's menu that made it on to my shopping list that did include things like the 300 and 500 as well as the Nissans and Toyotas.
I seem to remember the GM 'pecking' order to be: Chevy-Pontiac-Oldsmobile-Buick- Cadillac. Often these lines got blurred particularily between Olds and Buick, but also generally remember that if GM was going to come out with a 'hot' car, I could expect it usually to be a Pontiac. That goes all the way back to the 50s and 60s as some other posters have noted. The G8 seems to follow this tradition, and I would imagine will be less of a 'load' on Holden's production abilities. If the G8 was the new Impala I'm don't think GM would have a prayer of meeting demand. Although 'SS' would mean something more again - wouldn't it? As it is, I would rather suspect that there will be a waiting list for the car, if it is received by the autobuyers even half as favorably as the enthusiast press. The wildcard may be gas prices - we'll see.
 
 It can only be a good thing if the G8 'hits the ground running' and commands some sort of price premium - it might not do the US Auto industry much good, but it should help GM in their sea of red ink. It does seem that the new standards of the rental lots have changed a bit - from the old style Taurii, to now G6s, Sebrings and Impalas. The G8 does little to change that (did'nt I read somewhere that Pontiac was continuing to produce the GP just for the 'fleets'?) and wouldn't figure to end up over at Hertz (or wherever) anyway - why should GM 'sell' them to Hertz when they can do a whole lot better selling it to you and me.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by joe97
Mar 21, 2008 (4:15 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 21, 2008 6:19 am)

I can't speak for what the dealers were told but originally, the Genesis sedan was slated for US release in the second half of 08 so it's actually ahead of schedule, based on what I was told at least, in June.
 
Yes, there are some movie sneak previews half a year in advance, or more. I recall seeing at least one just about a week ago
 
Regardless, this is nothing new in the automotive industry. Toyota Tundra released a year after it debuted, Ford Flex even longer, Pontiac G8...Automaker do this for a number of reasons.
 
They show the Superbowl ads, which would lead everyone that saw it to believe it was going to be arriving soon.
 
In short, the ads were intended for combination of image elevation and sneak preview. Hyundai specifically ended those ads and stated "Summer 2008".
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2009 Maxima by alexstore
Mar 23, 2008 (6:45 am)
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Guys neither G8 or Genesys are included here for discussion by our hosts. so lets return to vehicles that are here. Like I said before and Nissan proved me right Altima is a test bed for Maxima. 2009 Maxima rides on a new D platform introduced for Altima. My guess for refreshing in 2010 Altima will get 290 hp engine, while Maxima introduces Diesels.
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Re: 2009 Maxima [alexstore] by captain2
Mar 24, 2008 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: alexstore (Mar 23, 2008 6:45 am)

neither G8 or Genesys are included here for discussion by our hosts.
Alexstore - think there are some limits on the no. of cars that can be shown to be part of the group.
The G8 was specifically included, and later removed - I guess becuase it wasn't available yet. That is no longer the case - there would seem to be no reason that the G8 shouldn't be fair game (and part of this discussion) if the Charger/300 are - unless, of course, we want to limit this only to FWD Large Sedans
The Genesis, quite a different story - still not available and from the sound of it, still several months away.
Read in the latest MT BTW that the Lucerne will become a different car by 2010 - to share the G8 RWD platform - guess it must be low volume enough that GM figures that Hoden can keep up with the added production. Figuring that the Buick version should be a 'softened' Pontiac, may offer a good choice in this case, if GM doesn't go hog wild with the 'Buickifying'.
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Re: Buick version of G8 [captain2] by tonycd
Mar 24, 2008 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 24, 2008 5:28 am)

"The Buick version should be a 'softened' Pontiac, may offer a good choice in this case, if GM doesn't go hog wild with the 'Buickifying'."
 
Only if GM is determined to appeal to the dead.
 
Of course, they are an ever-expanding demographic.
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Re: 2009 Maxima [captain2] by pat HOST
Mar 24, 2008 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 24, 2008 5:28 am)

You are right about the limits on the number of car categories than can be listed, and you are right that I said earlier if you want to talk about the G8, have at it, whether it is listed or not. I added it back just now.
 
I did say that I want to avoid including the Genesis in this discussion until we find out if it actually fits the criteria. We won't know that until we know the pricing.
 
So Alex, the bottom line is the G8 is in, other mainstream large sedans that aren't listed are in as long as they do fit the category, and the Genesis is out - for now.
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Blog Post About My Decision To Buy An Azera by cwintermeyer
Mar 24, 2008 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: luvmbooty (Jul 22, 2006 7:44 pm)

I've decided to buy a new 2007 Azera Limited. To help kill the time until I make the purchase, I posted a blog with my thoughts about my decision. The post also includes several video reviews, a couple of Azera commercials and an IIHS crash test video. Feel free to check it out at http://blog.wintermeyer.us/2008/03/hyundai-buddy-hyundai.html
 
- Chris
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Re: Blog Post About My Decision To Buy An Azera [cwintermeyer] by wobbly_ears
Mar 24, 2008 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: cwintermeyer (Mar 24, 2008 6:28 pm)

Chris (Got your name from your blog )
 
I'm an owner of a 2007 Azzy & before I bought it, I did months & months of research. I always thought I should document all the reviews & Youtube videos somewhere but never got around to it.
 
A good collection & needless to say, would be invaluable to anyone who's looking to find more info about Azzy.
 
Good luck negotiation & do let us know how it went.
 
I had a question though; WHy not go for a 2008? Even though there's no perceptible difference between 2007 & 2008 as you claim on your blog, they say suspension is improved & handling improved in 2008. Hope you're getting a GREAT deal on 2007
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Re: 2009 Maxima [pat] by alexstore
Mar 25, 2008 (3:42 am)
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Replying to: pat (Mar 24, 2008 11:08 am)

THANKS,
currently g8 V8 according to some magazines is the best performing vehicle on this forum. if FE and resale were higher , this car could have been on my shopping list

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