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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [captain2] by dborth
Mar 20, 2008 (11:32 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 5:59 am)

IMO, probably Pontiac and not because of quality perceptions - more like that Pontiac is generally accepted as a source of performance cars
 
Other than the recent, and now discontinued GTO, what other "performance cars" is Pontiac featuring?
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [dborth] by cobrazera
Mar 21, 2008 (1:54 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 pm)

Other than the recent, and now discontinued GTO, what other "performance cars" is Pontiac featuring?
Pontiac has a very long history in racing: NASCAR in the fifties and sixties, Trans Am in the late sixties and early seventies, as well as being very active in drag racing for years. They have fielded an exotic road racer most recently. Their Trans Am models have been in the marketplace until very recently, and if you've ever driven a WS6 T/A, you'd know what performance is.
They may not have had a performance car for the past couple years, but, IMO, most Americans have no problem with tying Pontiac with perfomance. Hyundai, OTOH, may have fielded a World Rally Car ( a series that is basically unknown in the USA ), but what's their racing history?
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [cobrazera] by cobrazera
Mar 21, 2008 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Mar 21, 2008 1:54 am)

Woops, forgot the Solstice, which in GXP configuration has 260HP in about 3000 pounds - it'll outgun anything Hyundai offers here.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [cobrazera] by thegraduate
Mar 21, 2008 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Mar 21, 2008 5:58 am)

Pontiac has a history (and ancient one, in car standards) of true performance, but all they have at the moment is a forced-induction 4-cylinder Miata fighter. Hardly a "performance lineup" from Pontiac.
 
I will say that Pontiac is the sportiest make in GM's mainstream lineup. Through the 80s and 90s that was because of the Trans-Am and plastic body cladding. In the 21st Century, they haven't had anything notable though.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [dborth] by captain2
Mar 21, 2008 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 pm)

Not so much 'is featuring' as 'has featured'. The 'excitement' blurb that Pontiac has used for years and years - even though some of thier offerings were anything but is not like the didn't try. Those original GTOs that provided a foundation for the 'muscle car era, the abortive attempt to reincarnate it you mention, and/or about any Firebird, or supercharging the 3.8 V6 into misc. the Grand Ams/GPs, or trying the V8 in a Grand Prix, or the more current Solstice. I think the perception is that if GM is going to have a 'performance car' it will probably have a Pontiac logo on it first - and probably why GM (other than limiting volume) chose the Pontiac name (instead of Buick or Chevy) for the G8.
There are a number of mfgrs. that cultivate a performance image IMO - Nissan and Pontiac for example and also a number of mfgrs that don't have that kind of image - Toyota and Hyundai among those. The comment was meant to suggest that Pontiac may have a little easier time selling something like the G8 than Hyundai will have selling the Genesis - simply because I believe people expect that kind of car from them.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [joe97] by allmet33
Mar 21, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Mar 20, 2008 5:31 pm)

The funny thing here is that some dealers were led to believe that the Genesis was coming the early part of '08 as well. The guy I speak to regularly who has been on point with everything he's mentioned (with the exception of the Genesis) even mentioned a Spring '08 release of the Genesis.
 
As far as the ads during the Superbowl...even Hyundai had to have speculated a release earlier this year. Why would you show the world your next offering and not roll it out 'til 8 months later??? That makes little to no sense at all. You don't see movie previews 8 months in advance, do you?
 
Hyundai almost has to come out perfect and there is little room for botching its biggest launch to date...
 
Seems like they are already botching it up. They show the Superbowl ads, which would lead everyone that saw it to believe it was going to be arriving soon. Now that I have though about it...Hyundai hasn't shown anything else about the Genesis because they don't want to kill the hype behind it by showing ads for it for the next 8 months. However, they have lost a little credibility because everyone that saw those ads is looking around wondering, "Where's that new Hyundai???"
 
Heck...even the folks at the Pontiac stand said the G8 was slated to hit the showrooms 6-8 weeks after the autoshow at the end of January. Well...they are already at dealers here in the DM Metro area.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [joe97] by allmet33
Mar 21, 2008 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Mar 20, 2008 5:40 pm)

Considering Hyundai's US base is located in CA...I wouldn't be surprised if the Genesis showed up out there first. There have been postings about dealerships out that way that already have a stripped down version for the techs to get familiar with. Haven't heard of that being the case out here on the east coast.
 
I'm also pretty certain that there will be a lot of Hyundai dealers that won't get the Genesis. In my area, I can think of 3 that would get them simply because they are high volume dealers and their service departments are impeccable. I just hope the non-high volume dealers that still offer great customer service aren't left out...they could be hurt by this.
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May Genesis Training by jaymagic
Mar 21, 2008 (6:41 am)
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My Hyundai service manager says his mechanics are scheduled for Genesis training in May. This Denver dealership is the #1 Hyundai sales location in Colorado. His guess is that they will begin receiving their first Genesis in late June or early July.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [captain2] by tjc78
Mar 21, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 21, 2008 6:15 am)

and probably why GM (other than limiting volume) chose the Pontiac name (instead of Buick or Chevy) for the G8
 
That sounds logical..... however I would say GM chose Pontiac because without fleet sales the Pontiac division would be right where Oldsmobile is. At least the G8 will get some people into the showroom and figures to sell without rebates and 0% financing deals. In other words its a car GM can possibly make some money on without having to put out a lot of development $$ since the car is just a rebage from another division.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [cobrazera] by dborth
Mar 21, 2008 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Mar 21, 2008 1:54 am)

Pontiac has a very long history in racing: NASCAR in the fifties and sixties, Trans Am in the late sixties and early seventies, as well as being very active in drag racing for years. They have fielded an exotic road racer most recently. Their Trans Am models have been in the marketplace until very recently, and if you've ever driven a WS6 T/A, you'd know what performance is.
 
Hmmmm...I thought this thread was "mainstream large sedans". Kind of like the Catalina / Bonneville sedans with 389ci / Tri-Power of the late 50's and early 60's.

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