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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 1:26 pm)

What dropping at the end of summer? Heck, I remember when I was told the Genesis would be released in the Spring of '08 as an early '09 model. However, if it's going to roll out as an '09...end of summer is about right. A lot of new models usually drop in the fall.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 1:28 pm)

CR has the car in its '08 new car issue - so they wouldn't be the only ones that thought it would be here by now. Have to wonder if Hyundai doesn't lose some 'shock' value because of the G8. I'm no marketing genius, but don't you get a whole lot of potential customers POed when you advertise something in January and February and then not be able to buy one for 6 or 7 months
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by joe97
Mar 20, 2008 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 1:59 pm)

Then CR needs to have their facts checked. Hyundai has not fooled anyone; Hyundai has said time after time the car would be available for the US market in summer 2008, and not now. Those SuperBowl ads even ended with the word "Summer 2008" (IIRC) - kinda like a early movie preview
 
It would only make sense Hyundai takes this time to prep the launch, especially since they have a lot of areas planned (see a few posts earlier for some of the details). I think we can all agree there is a lot riding on the arrival of the Genesis, much more than that Pontiac. Hyundai almost has to come out perfect and there is little room for botching its biggest launch to date...
 
By the way, those superbowl ads take on more meaning than just some marketing of a new car but that is for another topic altogether...
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by joe97
Mar 20, 2008 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 1:23 pm)

I didn't mean the first day of spring, per se
 
I will see if I can poke some more details on the arrival. Regardless, don't be surprised if some dealers receive their shipments earlier than others (that actually is the case on most other vehicles as well). Also, similar to Nissan's GT-R, certain Hyundai US dealers will not receive the Genesis sedan.
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Re: G8 and Genesis direct competitors? [captain2] by tonycd
Mar 20, 2008 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 am)

I agree with Allmet 100% -- the resemblance between these two cars ends at their dimensions and rear-drive configuration.
 
I, too, have personally seen, inspected and sat in both cars. The Genesis is worlds more luxurious in ambience, materials and equipment. The G8 is rather spartan, with a lot of gray-black and plastic aluminum, and exudes the intent to go fast for cheap (relatively speaking). They will not share an audience.
 
In all candor, there are only two possible explanations why Captain2 seems to consistently say such implausible things. One is that he loves the attention that comes from making "controversial" (i.e., silly) statements. For the sake of charity, I'll assume it's that reason and not the other one.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [captain2] by dborth
Mar 20, 2008 (11:32 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 5:59 am)

IMO, probably Pontiac and not because of quality perceptions - more like that Pontiac is generally accepted as a source of performance cars
 
Other than the recent, and now discontinued GTO, what other "performance cars" is Pontiac featuring?
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [dborth] by cobrazera
Mar 21, 2008 (1:54 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 pm)

Other than the recent, and now discontinued GTO, what other "performance cars" is Pontiac featuring?
Pontiac has a very long history in racing: NASCAR in the fifties and sixties, Trans Am in the late sixties and early seventies, as well as being very active in drag racing for years. They have fielded an exotic road racer most recently. Their Trans Am models have been in the marketplace until very recently, and if you've ever driven a WS6 T/A, you'd know what performance is.
They may not have had a performance car for the past couple years, but, IMO, most Americans have no problem with tying Pontiac with perfomance. Hyundai, OTOH, may have fielded a World Rally Car ( a series that is basically unknown in the USA ), but what's their racing history?
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [cobrazera] by cobrazera
Mar 21, 2008 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Mar 21, 2008 1:54 am)

Woops, forgot the Solstice, which in GXP configuration has 260HP in about 3000 pounds - it'll outgun anything Hyundai offers here.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [cobrazera] by thegraduate
Mar 21, 2008 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Mar 21, 2008 5:58 am)

Pontiac has a history (and ancient one, in car standards) of true performance, but all they have at the moment is a forced-induction 4-cylinder Miata fighter. Hardly a "performance lineup" from Pontiac.
 
I will say that Pontiac is the sportiest make in GM's mainstream lineup. Through the 80s and 90s that was because of the Trans-Am and plastic body cladding. In the 21st Century, they haven't had anything notable though.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [dborth] by captain2
Mar 21, 2008 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 pm)

Not so much 'is featuring' as 'has featured'. The 'excitement' blurb that Pontiac has used for years and years - even though some of thier offerings were anything but is not like the didn't try. Those original GTOs that provided a foundation for the 'muscle car era, the abortive attempt to reincarnate it you mention, and/or about any Firebird, or supercharging the 3.8 V6 into misc. the Grand Ams/GPs, or trying the V8 in a Grand Prix, or the more current Solstice. I think the perception is that if GM is going to have a 'performance car' it will probably have a Pontiac logo on it first - and probably why GM (other than limiting volume) chose the Pontiac name (instead of Buick or Chevy) for the G8.
There are a number of mfgrs. that cultivate a performance image IMO - Nissan and Pontiac for example and also a number of mfgrs that don't have that kind of image - Toyota and Hyundai among those. The comment was meant to suggest that Pontiac may have a little easier time selling something like the G8 than Hyundai will have selling the Genesis - simply because I believe people expect that kind of car from them.

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