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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:39 am)

can Pontiac produce the G8 with EVERYTHING the Genesis comes with and still beat it out in pricing...I doubt it HIGHLY.
of course they can. How much do you honestly think it costs Hyundai to put all those doo-dads you listed in #5945 in the Genesis - maybe a grand? And Pontiac can't do the same thing?
Perhaps it is more a case of Pontiac not wanting to go someplace competitively where it knows it doesn't belong.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [louiswei] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 11:49 am)

No...I don't need to address a reading problem, as you see...I went back and deleted that section because I understood what you were saying. Thank you.
 
Also...thank you for pointing out what I've been saying...the Charger/300 prove the point. The Charger is less than the 300. The 300 is more luxurious than the Charger and those that choose the "luxury", they pay more for it, right? EXACTLY what I'm trying to say...those that want the luxurious feel...will pay more. If they simply want performance, then they won't.
 
I do agree with your assessment of how it might go with the pricing intially. However, hype on the Genesis could cool down if Hyundai doesn't come up with something else between now and it's actual release. I mean...two ads during the Superbowl were great, but nothing since then...not good.
 
The current Maxima is more direct competition for the Avalon & Azera. The upcoming Maxima...well, I hate to admit it...will be setting the standard for the others to catch up to IMO. I mean...the interior of the 2009 Max is much, much more than it ever was. It has that quality of making one want to be in it, that it lacked before (for me). The only thing left to really find out is the driving dynamics of the machine. All this means now is that the large mainstream segment bottlenecks at the top and it'll really depend on one's preferences as to what they'll get.
 
Right now as it stands...Azera wins bang for the buck. Avalon wins best overall in terms of cost to operate and fuel economy as well as having the best all around ride. It would seem the Max would win in terms of driving enjoyment for those that like a more performance oriented ride. Personally, I don't think anyone can go wrong with any of the 3 to be honest.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:58 am)

Okay...you keep thinking that. The point is...the G8 does NOT offer all the Genesis does. Like I said, go and compare the standard features and available options...go ahead.
 
...a case of Pontiac not wanting to go someplace competitively where it knows it doesn't belong.
 
A reason why I respect Hyundai for being progressive AND aggressive for trying to break the mold. One company with the ability to offer a little of everything.
 
It was said earlier that luxury is something that someone is willing to pay a little more for. Even with the Genesis at the price it's being offered, it's an extreme value and places luxury within reach of those that normally wouldn't be able to afford it. Is that worth $4-5K more than a G8? It is for those that want the luxury.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by joe97
Mar 20, 2008 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:58 am)

Prior to Hyundai started offering equipment such as NAV, HID for the US market, some people were complaining why Hyundai couldn't have them available, when most of the competition did...this was also the case on a few other automakers and vehicles.
 
Having them as options, at least, give choices, especially for vehicles sold in the 30s, which isn't cheap for the masses.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by joe97
Mar 20, 2008 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 12:08 pm)

two ads during the Superbowl were great, but nothing since then
 
This is brief plan on the Genesis from Hyundai USA, in terms of marketing and advertising:
 
We’re going to have a long presell to get people familiar with the idea. We’ll start with some invitation-only rides, where people can drive the car not just at an event, but for up to a week. We will put the car in the hands of opinion leaders, like politicians, journalists and other VIPs. At the same time, we’ll have ride-and-drive events for consumers. In the spring you will start to see teasers, like theater spots, and the print will begin.
 
We’re aligning ourselves with Concours d’Elegance [a national tour that presents luxury autos at high-end venues] as a backdrop to a ride-and-drive event. But we’ll also begin to align ourselves with some new brands, which we are figuring out right now. We are going to align ourselves with golf in places that we haven’t been before, and some premium restaurants as well. This is going to be the biggest Hyundai campaign ever, and it’s going to go pretty hard.
 
We’ll still have some of the same kind of platforms, of course. The Genesis will have a strong Internet campaign [Hyundaigenesis.com launched earlier this month]. And we’ll broaden our TV buys, including Monday Night Football [on ESPN] and Fox NFL football. We will continue to do our NBA stuff.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [joe97] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Mar 20, 2008 1:05 pm)

Of course...all this remains to be seen. September (the supposed release timeframe) will be here before they know it.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by joe97
Mar 20, 2008 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 1:10 pm)

The car will arrive in June, based on what I have been told. And all of the invitations and drive-and-ride events will take place in the spring.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [joe97] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Mar 20, 2008 1:18 pm)

Spring is already upon us and when the Auto Show was here in DC, the Hyundai rep stated the Genesis would hit the show rooms at the end of summer. I'm not saying your info is wrong or mine is right, but there is nothing consistent to go by at this point. I've spoken with other folks that have attended the Auto Show in other cities and they were pretty much all told that the Genesis would drop around the end of summer.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 1:23 pm)

running a tad late, isn't it?
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 1:26 pm)

What dropping at the end of summer? Heck, I remember when I was told the Genesis would be released in the Spring of '08 as an early '09 model. However, if it's going to roll out as an '09...end of summer is about right. A lot of new models usually drop in the fall.

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