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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:19 am) have you seen pictures of or read the reviews the G8 is getting>? There ain't much lacking even vs. a Genesis. I guess my real point is that if we know the G8 has made a 'joke' out of the 300/Chargers competitively than doesn't it do the same thing to the Genesis? An interesting contradiction - a Hyundai that isn't some sort of 'value' leader. |
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 am) From a technology standpoint...the Genesis is head and shoulders above the G8, from a performance standpoint...the G8 is head of that class. The Genesis is also making a joke out of the 300/Chargers...what's the point? If you just look at the G8 and the Genesis as just two cars, your'e right...Hyundai isn't the value leader. However...can Pontiac produce the G8 with EVERYTHING the Genesis comes with and still beat it out in pricing...I doubt it HIGHLY. Go look at the standard features and available options for both cars and tell me again that the G8 offers everything the Genesis does. Betcha can't do it! 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:11 am) If the G8 and Genesis are different animals then the 5er and E/GS are different animals too. The fact is that both the G8 and Genesis are competing in the same segment and have similar pricing, the only difference is that one is more luxurious and another is the better performer. Another example, would you consider that the Maxima does not compete directly with the Azera/Avalon? People want a 5er because it's a BMW and THEY CAN AFFORD IT. Heck, if I have to choose between the two and don't have to drive around 15k miles a year I would pick the 535i in less than a nanosecond! Geez, you really need to do something about that reading problem of yours... I brought up the IS250 just to make a case that even a Lexus does sell around invoice sometimes so that's not a "privilege" for Hyundai. Where did I ever compare it with the Genesis? As matter of fact, I didn't even compare the GS350 with the Genesis, I just wanted to point out that even cars under the luxury brands do sell at well below MSRP so you can expect the G8 to do so as well. Don't believe me? Here is an example: IS250 w/ luxury package MSRP: $35,985 IS250 w/ luxury package Invoice: $31,478 IS250 w/ luxury package TMV: $32,246 That's $3.7K below MSRP and a merely $800 over invoice!!
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:39 am) of course they can. How much do you honestly think it costs Hyundai to put all those doo-dads you listed in #5945 in the Genesis - maybe a grand? And Pontiac can't do the same thing? Perhaps it is more a case of Pontiac not wanting to go someplace competitively where it knows it doesn't belong.
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 11:49 am) Also...thank you for pointing out what I've been saying...the Charger/300 prove the point. The Charger is less than the 300. The 300 is more luxurious than the Charger and those that choose the "luxury", they pay more for it, right? EXACTLY what I'm trying to say...those that want the luxurious feel...will pay more. If they simply want performance, then they won't. I do agree with your assessment of how it might go with the pricing intially. However, hype on the Genesis could cool down if Hyundai doesn't come up with something else between now and it's actual release. I mean...two ads during the Superbowl were great, but nothing since then...not good. The current Maxima is more direct competition for the Avalon & Azera. The upcoming Maxima...well, I hate to admit it...will be setting the standard for the others to catch up to IMO. I mean...the interior of the 2009 Max is much, much more than it ever was. It has that quality of making one want to be in it, that it lacked before (for me). The only thing left to really find out is the driving dynamics of the machine. All this means now is that the large mainstream segment bottlenecks at the top and it'll really depend on one's preferences as to what they'll get. Right now as it stands...Azera wins bang for the buck. Avalon wins best overall in terms of cost to operate and fuel economy as well as having the best all around ride. It would seem the Max would win in terms of driving enjoyment for those that like a more performance oriented ride. Personally, I don't think anyone can go wrong with any of the 3 to be honest.
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:58 am) ...a case of Pontiac not wanting to go someplace competitively where it knows it doesn't belong. A reason why I respect Hyundai for being progressive AND aggressive for trying to break the mold. One company with the ability to offer a little of everything. It was said earlier that luxury is something that someone is willing to pay a little more for. Even with the Genesis at the price it's being offered, it's an extreme value and places luxury within reach of those that normally wouldn't be able to afford it. Is that worth $4-5K more than a G8? It is for those that want the luxury. |
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:58 am) Having them as options, at least, give choices, especially for vehicles sold in the 30s, which isn't cheap for the masses. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 12:08 pm) This is brief plan on the Genesis from Hyundai USA, in terms of marketing and advertising: We’re going to have a long presell to get people familiar with the idea. We’ll start with some invitation-only rides, where people can drive the car not just at an event, but for up to a week. We will put the car in the hands of opinion leaders, like politicians, journalists and other VIPs. At the same time, we’ll have ride-and-drive events for consumers. In the spring you will start to see teasers, like theater spots, and the print will begin. We’re aligning ourselves with Concours d’Elegance [a national tour that presents luxury autos at high-end venues] as a backdrop to a ride-and-drive event. But we’ll also begin to align ourselves with some new brands, which we are figuring out right now. We are going to align ourselves with golf in places that we haven’t been before, and some premium restaurants as well. This is going to be the biggest Hyundai campaign ever, and it’s going to go pretty hard. We’ll still have some of the same kind of platforms, of course. The Genesis will have a strong Internet campaign [Hyundaigenesis.com launched earlier this month]. And we’ll broaden our TV buys, including Monday Night Football [on ESPN] and Fox NFL football. We will continue to do our NBA stuff.
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Replying to: joe97 (Mar 20, 2008 1:05 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 1:10 pm)
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