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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 10:44 am) With the G8 being in publications as being tested and performance attributes being raved about...there will be considerable hype built up. Usually with hype, comes demand and with demand...steady prices. As far as the difference with the Genesis, I still think you're comparing two different animals. If the G8 were being touted as a luxury performance sedan, then I could see a problem between it and the Genesis. The Genesis is being touted as a luxury sedan for the working class (in a nutshell). Will the G8 have the rich feel on the inside, I doubt it...it's a performer and not being touted as anything else. Is the Genesis being touted as a performer....no, it's being touted as a luxury sedan whose benchmarks include the likes of the E/M/and 5er. Based on what you're saying...if the G8 is THAT serious, then why would one even want a 5er for that matter?
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 10:45 am) To answer your question Captain, it would depend on what type of car you really want. Don't you think? If one wants the look and feel of luxury...you certainly aren't going to get that with the G8...now will you? It also goes beyond folding mirrors, rain sensing wipers and a simple nav system. Heated & cooled seats, HID headlights (self leveling), Lexicon entertainment system, back up camera, satellite radio ready, bluetooth... Yeah...I would pay $4-5K more for the Genesis over the G8. The G8 simply isn't my taste for a car to own. Does that stop me from admiring its attributes...heck no. Heck, if the Maxima were offered in RWD form, it would give the G8 & Genesis in V-6 form some serious competition!!! Even by it being FWD, it could still quite possibly give it some comp.
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 9:04 am) |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:11 am) I spent a good amount of seat time in a 550/650. There is a serious level of refinement and luxury in those products. I will not believe the G8 is at that level. I am not saying the G8 isn't capable, I am saying 99% of people who can buy a 550i would not say the G8 is the same car for less money.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 20, 2008 11:24 am) |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:19 am) have you seen pictures of or read the reviews the G8 is getting>? There ain't much lacking even vs. a Genesis. I guess my real point is that if we know the G8 has made a 'joke' out of the 300/Chargers competitively than doesn't it do the same thing to the Genesis? An interesting contradiction - a Hyundai that isn't some sort of 'value' leader. |
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 am) From a technology standpoint...the Genesis is head and shoulders above the G8, from a performance standpoint...the G8 is head of that class. The Genesis is also making a joke out of the 300/Chargers...what's the point? If you just look at the G8 and the Genesis as just two cars, your'e right...Hyundai isn't the value leader. However...can Pontiac produce the G8 with EVERYTHING the Genesis comes with and still beat it out in pricing...I doubt it HIGHLY. Go look at the standard features and available options for both cars and tell me again that the G8 offers everything the Genesis does. Betcha can't do it! 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:11 am) If the G8 and Genesis are different animals then the 5er and E/GS are different animals too. The fact is that both the G8 and Genesis are competing in the same segment and have similar pricing, the only difference is that one is more luxurious and another is the better performer. Another example, would you consider that the Maxima does not compete directly with the Azera/Avalon? People want a 5er because it's a BMW and THEY CAN AFFORD IT. Heck, if I have to choose between the two and don't have to drive around 15k miles a year I would pick the 535i in less than a nanosecond! Geez, you really need to do something about that reading problem of yours... I brought up the IS250 just to make a case that even a Lexus does sell around invoice sometimes so that's not a "privilege" for Hyundai. Where did I ever compare it with the Genesis? As matter of fact, I didn't even compare the GS350 with the Genesis, I just wanted to point out that even cars under the luxury brands do sell at well below MSRP so you can expect the G8 to do so as well. Don't believe me? Here is an example: IS250 w/ luxury package MSRP: $35,985 IS250 w/ luxury package Invoice: $31,478 IS250 w/ luxury package TMV: $32,246 That's $3.7K below MSRP and a merely $800 over invoice!!
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:39 am) of course they can. How much do you honestly think it costs Hyundai to put all those doo-dads you listed in #5945 in the Genesis - maybe a grand? And Pontiac can't do the same thing? Perhaps it is more a case of Pontiac not wanting to go someplace competitively where it knows it doesn't belong.
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 11:49 am) Also...thank you for pointing out what I've been saying...the Charger/300 prove the point. The Charger is less than the 300. The 300 is more luxurious than the Charger and those that choose the "luxury", they pay more for it, right? EXACTLY what I'm trying to say...those that want the luxurious feel...will pay more. If they simply want performance, then they won't. I do agree with your assessment of how it might go with the pricing intially. However, hype on the Genesis could cool down if Hyundai doesn't come up with something else between now and it's actual release. I mean...two ads during the Superbowl were great, but nothing since then...not good. The current Maxima is more direct competition for the Avalon & Azera. The upcoming Maxima...well, I hate to admit it...will be setting the standard for the others to catch up to IMO. I mean...the interior of the 2009 Max is much, much more than it ever was. It has that quality of making one want to be in it, that it lacked before (for me). The only thing left to really find out is the driving dynamics of the machine. All this means now is that the large mainstream segment bottlenecks at the top and it'll really depend on one's preferences as to what they'll get. Right now as it stands...Azera wins bang for the buck. Avalon wins best overall in terms of cost to operate and fuel economy as well as having the best all around ride. It would seem the Max would win in terms of driving enjoyment for those that like a more performance oriented ride. Personally, I don't think anyone can go wrong with any of the 3 to be honest.
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