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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 10:26 am)

IF that sticker is $40k (selling at $36k) , and IF that G8 even sells at full $32k sticker (for awhile I would imagine a few dealers will inflate the price) then why should I spend the $4 or 5k more for a Hyundai?
It apparently won't be for any performance increase (sure sounds like the G8 has most anything this side of a 550 beat) - must be for the power folding mirrors, rain sensing wipers, and NAV system?
 
What I'm saying here is that Hyundai has be beaten to the punch by its logical competition - what to do now?
 
The cheaper Azera seems to be less of a 'deal' than the optioned out Sonata it competes with - pricewise. I think I might rather have the latter if I'm going to spend $23 or $25k - more 'doo-dads' for the dollar
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Re: Pontiac G8 [louiswei] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (10:53 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 10:44 am)

close to the invoice on any GS350 and IS250.
a V8 GS or the IS350 in that much higher demand?
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by louiswei
Mar 20, 2008 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 10:53 am)

a V8 GS or the IS350 in that much higher demand?
 
I am not sure it's the "demand", I think Lexus just decided that they aren't going to make too many of those. We can probably expecting to see the same thing on the Genesis V8 and G8 GT.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [louiswei] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 10:44 am)

Not necessarily true...if the G8 is THAT hot, they won't have to mark the price down. As we've seen with the Azera...it was not hot at all in the beginning (not saying it is now) and the prices had to be dropped to get them moving. Heck, folks didn't even know they were in the dealerships and when they did show up...there was only a few to choose from.
 
With the G8 being in publications as being tested and performance attributes being raved about...there will be considerable hype built up. Usually with hype, comes demand and with demand...steady prices.
 
As far as the difference with the Genesis, I still think you're comparing two different animals. If the G8 were being touted as a luxury performance sedan, then I could see a problem between it and the Genesis. The Genesis is being touted as a luxury sedan for the working class (in a nutshell). Will the G8 have the rich feel on the inside, I doubt it...it's a performer and not being touted as anything else. Is the Genesis being touted as a performer....no, it's being touted as a luxury sedan whose benchmarks include the likes of the E/M/and 5er.
 
Based on what you're saying...if the G8 is THAT serious, then why would one even want a 5er for that matter?
 
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 10:45 am)

...then why should I spend the $4 or 5k more for a Hyundai?
 
To answer your question Captain, it would depend on what type of car you really want. Don't you think? If one wants the look and feel of luxury...you certainly aren't going to get that with the G8...now will you?
 
It also goes beyond folding mirrors, rain sensing wipers and a simple nav system. Heated & cooled seats, HID headlights (self leveling), Lexicon entertainment system, back up camera, satellite radio ready, bluetooth...
 
Yeah...I would pay $4-5K more for the Genesis over the G8. The G8 simply isn't my taste for a car to own. Does that stop me from admiring its attributes...heck no. Heck, if the Maxima were offered in RWD form, it would give the G8 & Genesis in V-6 form some serious competition!!! Even by it being FWD, it could still quite possibly give it some comp.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [louiswei] by kdshapiro
Mar 20, 2008 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 9:04 am)

As gas soars to $4/gal and more, it's a grand ol' time to release good ol' thirsty American vehicles.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by kdshapiro
Mar 20, 2008 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:11 am)

Based on what you're saying...if the G8 is THAT serious, then why would one even want a 5er for that matter?
 
I spent a good amount of seat time in a 550/650. There is a serious level of refinement and luxury in those products. I will not believe the G8 is at that level. I am not saying the G8 isn't capable, I am saying 99% of people who can buy a 550i would not say the G8 is the same car for less money.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [kdshapiro] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 20, 2008 11:24 am)

Yes...but if someone just wants the sheer power and driving enjoyment that the G8 seemingly offers, it would seem that one could pay a lot less than a 5er and still have some serious fun. I'm not saying the characteristics of both machines would be similar or comparable, but you have some that would be willing to save that much coin to overlook the "refinement" the BMW offers.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [allmet33] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 11:19 am)

the look and feel of luxury...you certainly aren't going to get that with the G8...now will you?
have you seen pictures of or read the reviews the G8 is getting>? There ain't much lacking even vs. a Genesis. I guess my real point is that if we know the G8 has made a 'joke' out of the 300/Chargers competitively than doesn't it do the same thing to the Genesis? An interesting contradiction - a Hyundai that isn't some sort of 'value' leader.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 11:32 am)

I've SEEN the G8 in person, looked on the inside...there is nothing that lends itself to a luxurious feel. The reviews the G8 is getting is more about it's performance than anything.
 
From a technology standpoint...the Genesis is head and shoulders above the G8, from a performance standpoint...the G8 is head of that class. The Genesis is also making a joke out of the 300/Chargers...what's the point?
 
If you just look at the G8 and the Genesis as just two cars, your'e right...Hyundai isn't the value leader. However...can Pontiac produce the G8 with EVERYTHING the Genesis comes with and still beat it out in pricing...I doubt it HIGHLY.
 
Go look at the standard features and available options for both cars and tell me again that the G8 offers everything the Genesis does. Betcha can't do it!

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