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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [thegraduate] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (7:34 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 20, 2008 7:19 am)

Well...with the way gas is heading, the Northstar variant wouldn't get much love anyway. Personally, if GM upgraded the Lucerne to the 3.6, they could make that available in the top of the line trim and leave the current version in the lower trim levels.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [tjc78] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 20, 2008 6:38 am)

supposedly different animals although it's kinda beyond me how we can call the 125 cf (interior), 115" WB, 200" long, and 4000 lb. G8 a 'sports car'
and I guess it depends on how close to Hyundai's amusing claims (about the Germans looking over their shoulder) that the Genesis actually is.
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Re: Torque Steer in Maxima [tonycd] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: tonycd (Mar 20, 2008 6:51 am)

defensive - you got the wrong guy
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by louiswei
Mar 20, 2008 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 5:30 am)

The G8 is a big car just like the 300, how it would be that much better just doesn't 'figure'.
 
It's all about the steering response and handling, my captain.
 
From Inside Line's Comparison Test: 2008 Dodge Charger R/T vs. 2008 Pontiac G8 GT:
 
- First of all, these are not small cars. But the Charger is even bigger than the G8. Slightly.
 
- When the two are parked side by side, the Charger appears even larger than it is relative to the G8. It also drives bigger.
 
- Just because the Charger is rear-wheel drive doesn't mean it's at home in the twisties. Hard cornering in the Charger is all about plenty of steering input and body roll. The steering is relatively slow and absolutely numb, but the front tires scream and squeal enough to let you and the world know they're struggling under the weight of this 4,135-pound sedan.
 
- In contrast, the G8's suspension could be a direct lift from the BMW 5 Series. It isn't, but the G8's MacPherson strut front and four-link rear suspension with progressive-rate coil-over shocks is very similar to the BMW's traditional 5 Series design. As a result, the Pontiac G8 GT rides a lot like, yup, a BMW.
 
- Sure it rides more stiffly than the Dodge, but that hardly means it's uncomfortable.
 
- The steering feels much quicker than the Mopar's and the tires feel sutured to the road.
 
- On a mountain road, the G8 GT will simply run away from the Charger R/T.

 
Like I've said, it's a battle between an Australian 5er and an American 4-door muscle car.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [captain2] by tjc78
Mar 20, 2008 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 7:42 am)

it's kinda beyond me how we can call the 125 cf (interior), 115" WB, 200" long, and 4000 lb. G8 a 'sports car'
 
I "kinda" agree here but really what is it? It't not a luxury car and not really a family sedan either. Maybe "performance sedan" would be appropriate. Heck maybe we can even stick one of Nissan's "4DSC" stickers on it
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Re: Pontiac G8 [louiswei] by captain2
Mar 20, 2008 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 8:07 am)

then it sure seems a shame then, if what I've read is true - that the G8 is limited (production wise) by Holden's ability to make a sufficent quantity of them for the US market?
Still don't think the Pontiac is going to appeal to many prospective 5/7 series buyers - much in the same way the Genesis won't.
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [allmet33] by tjc78
Mar 20, 2008 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 7:34 am)

they could make that available in the top of the line trim and leave the current version in the lower trim levels
 
Why? It would be cheaper to just have one engine among the trim levels. Even if that raised the base price $500 look at how more competitive the car would be.
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Re: Pontiac G8 [captain2] by louiswei
Mar 20, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 20, 2008 8:22 am)

Yes Captain, currently the G8 production is limited by Holden but I've read it somewhere before that GM is planning to start making them here in the states sometimes in the very near future. It'll probably be assembled under the same roof as the 2010 Chevy Camaro.
 
I agree that the Pontiac wouldn't appeal to the prospective 5er buyers just like the Genesis wouldn't. However, there are those people who are lusting after the 5er but couldn't afford one and I think they are the main potential customers for the both 5er-wannabes (Genesis more luxurious and G8 more performance).
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Re: Pontiac vs. Hyundai [tjc78] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 20, 2008 8:26 am)

So maybe offer a toned down version of the 3.6 in the lesser trimmed models???
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Re: Pontiac G8 [louiswei] by allmet33
Mar 20, 2008 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 20, 2008 9:04 am)

I agree that the Pontiac wouldn't appeal to the prospective 5er buyers just like the Genesis wouldn't. However, there are those people who are lusting after the 5er but couldn't afford one and I think they are the main potential customers for the both 5er-wannabes (Genesis more luxurious and G8 more performance).
 
I could SWEAR that I've said this before!!!

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