Edmunds.com | Inside Line | Auto Observer Your Account | Help | Directory
You are here:
![[F]](http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/site.gif){kind=small}
Forums
Sedans Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison
6844 messages, Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 1:32 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
|
Replying to: captain2 (Mar 19, 2008 6:48 am) Captain, to paraphrase Forrest Gump: I may not be an intelligent man, but I do know what torque steer is. Which is why, if you re-read my original post, I mentioned my wife's CR-V specifically to provide a comparative context for my evaluation of torque steer in my '92 Maxima. "I guess you must be hoping that Hyundai gets around to putting that pumped up 3.8 in the Azera... If you really want to feel and 'fight' a little torque steer, go out and find a vintage Saab 9-3 Viggen, turbo 4 banger, and more of a handful than a Impala SS or any Nissan product ever thought of being. Or drive the current Aura XR, a little less of the same stuff." Yes, I agree, anyone who reads Car and Driver knows that. I never said I was in favor of torque steer. You're raising a red herring argument here. "You can as many HP as you want, BTW, and Hyundai may develop some sort of 'cure' that successfully hides all that a high school physics book would teach you - but something that still won't change: you'll still have 60% or your over the driven front wheels and the car will still be a plowing understeering nightmare. Not to worry though you might finally get a car that can 'outdrag' even that Impala. I hate to think that the evaluation of any car has sunk to the depths of how many HP it has - because it is only a small part of what a good car is - especially in this class." I don't recall ever saying anything to the effect that I was extolling the virtues of an overpowered, torque-steering FWD car either. Where do you get these straw men I didn't say? And why? All I ever said was that I can definitively rebut your claims about "serious torque steer issues" in the 190-horsepower 1992 Maxima by virtue of having driven a well-maintained example this morning. Feeling a little defensive?
|
|
|
Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 20, 2008 7:38 am)
|
|
|
Replying to: colloquor (Mar 20, 2008 8:06 am) |
|
|
|
|
Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 20, 2008 7:38 am) Comparing FE to another GM full-size car, the Pontiac looks really good FE wise. If the 360+ hp Pontiac has 15/24, consider that the 197 hp Lucerne has 16/25, and the 275 hp Lucerne has 15/23. 250 hp Charger has 17/24, and the 340 hp Charger has 15/23 255 hp Maxima has 19/25 224hp Grand Marquis has 15/23  Suddenly, the Pontiac doesn't look so bad with that 24 hwy number, does it? 
|
|
|
Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 20, 2008 8:09 am)
|
|
|
|
|
Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 8:13 am)  ) it would make the Northstar obsolete. I think just the 6-speed auto would help!
|
|
|
Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 20, 2008 8:09 am) 
|
|
|
Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 20, 2008 8:13 am) That's an undstatement! |
|
|
Replying to: colloquor (Mar 20, 2008 8:06 am) I would generally agree with this, I feel that the Koreans are making a 'better' car than 'Detroit', and have been for at least the last 5 years or so. BUT, I'm not so sure that the average (uninformed) carbuyer Joe thinks so. Performance perceptions, Pontiac 'wins', hands down |
|
|
Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 20, 2008 8:19 am)
|
|
You are here:
Forums
Sedans Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison
New? Join Now!
Forum Tools
Search Forums
Browse by Vehicle
2009 Buick Lucerne
2010 Chevrolet Impala
2009 Dodge Charger
2010 Ford Taurus
2009 Hyundai Azera
2009 Toyota Avalon
2009 Nissan Maxima
2009 Pontiac G8
Browse by Board
Browse by Topic
Today's Chats
