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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5882 of 6854 Re: Torque Steer in Maxima [captain2]
Mar 18, 2008 (6:12 pm)
Two points, Captain:
1) After reading your post #5873 that basically blames the current Maxima's torque steer on every factor except solar flares, I was about to point out what you'd missed -- until you basically contradicted the implications of your post #5873 in post #5875, by acknowledging that the current Altima owes some of its torque steer reduction to that improved halfshaft geometry. That's the real reason why the current Maxima (built on the previous Altima) has more torque steer than the similarly sized, similarly powered Altima.
2) The '92 Maxima with the top engine had "serious torque steer issues"? Sir, as chance would have it, I own the 190-horsepower 1992 Nissan Maxima SE, which I bought new and have driven (with religious maintenance) for nearly 16 years. It absolutely does not have "serious torque steer issues." In fact, my wife's four-cylinder, four-wheel-drive '03 Honda CR-V has much more torque steer than my Maxima.
#5883 of 6854 Re: New Maxima [allmet33]
Mar 19, 2008 (3:34 am)
IN my optinion New Maxima's exterior and interior have both been heavily borrowed from a car that we both like - M. Dash and Navigation placement look exactly like in M. With 290 HP ( nissan's own site) and unfortunately with CVT its one powerful sedan. Rear seats look like it will be a 4 passenger vehicle. All we need now is for someone to test it. My guess engine has a potential of 5.7-5.9 0-60. Not sure if CVT will allow this car to achieve these #s
#5884 of 6854 Re: New Maxima [alexstore]
Mar 19, 2008 (3:58 am)
Nice look at the new Max on Nissan's website. Paddle shiffters on a CVT? I don't know why the heck Nissan is insisting on CVT for this car. However, at least you will be able to control it.
On some other notes, I like the interior and looks as the tech packages will be nice. But, why only 9.3GB for the music system? Hard drive space is cheap.
Notice the shifter is offset closer to the driver, (wonder where they got that from?)
Still no nod whether FWD or RWD.
#5885 of 6854 Re: New Maxima [captain2]
Mar 19, 2008 (5:15 am)
And yet...the newer Altima with 270 hp isn't causing folks to scream bloody murder over TS. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
#5886 of 6854 Re: Torque Steer in Maxima [tonycd]
Mar 19, 2008 (5:48 am)
Sir, as chance would have it, I own the 190-horsepower 1992 Nissan Maxima
well, then, you have a great car, I got almost 300k on mine before the tranny cratered at which point the $3500.00 to fix the tranny was more than the car was worth. The tranny failure BTW probably due to my own neglect.
However, if you don' think that car has some torque steer issues then I would respectfully suggest that you may not know what it is. It was worse then what it is in my wife's 03 Altima 10 years later, despite the extra 50hp - any test of older or recent Maximas and V6 Altimas will generally always mention this.
As far as the ability to 'engineer out' torque steer - sure it's been happening for years and the difference between the TS in the 92 Maxima vs. the same condition 11 years later in that Altima is a good example. I guess you must be hoping that Hyundai gets around to putting that pumped up 3.8 in the Azera - I would wager they won't and further would guess that they may compromise an otherwise good drivetrain if they do. The key word here is 'may' - but IMO 290 hp engines do not belong in FWD cars and logically the stronger the engine the worse the problem - but there is no 'magic number'- simply too many things that go into it.
If you really want to feel and 'fight' a little torque steer, go out and find a vintage Saab 9-3 Viggen, turbo 4 banger, and more of a handful than a Impala SS or any Nissan product ever thought of being. Or drive the current Aura XR, a little less of the same stuff.
You can as many HP as you want, BTW, and Hyundai may develop some sort of 'cure' that successfully hides all that a high school physics book would teach you - but something that still won't change: you'll still have 60% or your over the driven front wheels and the car will still be a plowing understeering nightmare. Not to worry though you might finally get a car that can 'outdrag' even that Impala. I hate to think that the evaluation of any car has sunk to the depths of how many HP it has - because it is only a small part of what a good car is - especially in this class.
#5887 of 6854 Re: New Maxima [allmet33]
Mar 19, 2008 (5:52 am)
as I said, it is because the CVT can be programmed to higher gears ratios relative to the throttle position. My wifes 03 Altima (or that '92 Max) doesn't have either the type of tranny or the electronically controlled throttle that would allow the Nissan engineers to successfully hide it.
#5888 of 6854 Re: New Maxima [tjc78]
Mar 19, 2008 (6:11 am)
TJC- think the CVT is 'programmed' to simulate gear changes hence 'justifying' the paddle shifter - something I find kinda amusing. The 290 hp doesn't surprise me, Nissan not known to lose the HP wars.
#5889 of 6854 Re: New Maxima [captain2]
Mar 19, 2008 (6:27 am)
Exactly the point I've been trying to make. The same can be employed with the new Maxima using the 3.7 tuned to about 285 hp. Again, is it the desired configuration...no. Would it work...yes. That...is all I'm saying.
#5890 of 6854 Re: New Maxima [captain2]
Mar 19, 2008 (6:55 am)
Never understood the need to "simulate" anything. If this vehicle is to be the "4DSC" again put in a regular auto. I just don't think the enthusiasts are going to be happy with it. Actually, I can already hear the auto mags bitching there is no manual transmission.
Having said that.... when Avy is ready to go back I will be test driving the Max and will try not to be so tunnel visioned with the CVT. I hated it in the 500, but that was with an anemic engine. Maybe, the "simulated" shifts along with the "manual" capabilities will be enough to overturn my aversion to CVT
Nissan not known to lose the HP wars.
Since they started the whole thing... it wouldn't be right for them to be at the back of the pack.
#5891 of 6854 Live Photo
Mar 19, 2008 (7:34 am)
Not a pretty picture...