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Replying to: jaymagic (Mar 17, 2008 4:33 pm) Personally, I like the fact that it comes on automatically the next time the car is started. I rather forget to turn it off rather than turn it back on.
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Replying to: jaymagic (Mar 17, 2008 2:43 pm) you are right about that, would suspect that anybody who is spending the time to participate on these forums, would all be quite 'anal' about things like oil changes.  On a more serious note,and contrary to popular belief (not anything unusual for me) - I am quite suspicious of computers in the vehicles we drive. I have enough of an understanding of how things like ESC systems work, and also had an experience about 2 years ago in my non-ESC Avalon that I believe that I might not be here today if my car had this 'wonderful' 'safety' feature. Kinda been on a campaign ever since to correct a common misperception that ESC improves the way any vehicle handles. IT DOESN'T. Furthermore I believe that this misperception and the 'catcher's mitt' that these systems provide also ultimately lead to some really bad driving habits and drivers. Is it a 'safety' feature - certainly, but is it something that an enthusiast really wants on his car - maybe not. That depends entirely on how conservatively systems like this are implemented. This would not be a class of vehicles (the large 'family' sedan) that something like ESC would logically be implemented appropriately (for the enthusiast). Although these cars are not BMWs or Porsches or whatever, it doesn't mean that they can't be something we can 'enjoy'. So, in effect, we enthusiasts are at the mercy of some computer nerds (and liability lawyers). A dangerous 'Big Brother' path we are starting down, and now that the government has seen fit to get involved it will get even worse. So fine, Hyundai in 2005 (the Sonata?) gets a bit of a head start on what they know is going to federally mandated in a few years anyway - big deal - but, to me, the fact that I can't buy an Azera without the ESC is not something to brag on.  . |
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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/18/new-york-08-preview-2009-nissan-maxima-leaked- - -on-forum/ Not sure about the front and rear but the rest (i.e. interior) looks great |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 18, 2008 5:39 am) It would have to, if it is to be construed a 'safety' feature' as well as to avoid incurring the wrath of some lawyer down the road. Don't know of any car that doesn't do this when it is also giving the driver the option of shutting it off. However, there are some implementations of ESC, where even when turned off it is still on (Chryslers) and several implementations where there is no real option to shut it off at all (Toyotas) . And yes, I would imagine that all Azera drivers normally have it on because it would require a conscience effort to shut it off - that the reason why they do it that way. It's almost would have you wondering whether the car's computer records any incidences where the driver turned it off so that the mfgr. might protect itself from TV lawyers.
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Replying to: joe97 (Mar 18, 2008 5:42 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 18, 2008 5:55 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Mar 18, 2008 5:50 am) IIRC the Chryslers can be fully turned off in a way similar to the insane command sequence in the Toyotas. I still can not get over the fact that Toyota no longer puts an "off" switch for the VSC/Trac, at least the sensitivity of the newer system is less than it was on my '00 Solara. My '03 Av didn't have either system and I must say I never missed it.
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 18, 2008 6:31 am) |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 18, 2008 6:36 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Mar 18, 2008 5:42 am)  
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