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#5826 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [alexstore] by thegraduate Mar 17, 2008 (10:26 am)
Replying to: alexstore (Mar 17, 2008 10:15 am) Interesting. With an oil-life monitor in my car, no recommendations were made except to follow the indicated service codes when the monitor hit 15%.   3750 on synthetic seems like double overkill to me. I can see 7500 on synthetic, or 3750 on regular. I go 4,500 miles in my old Accord w/180k miles on regular Castrol.(manual recommends 3750 in stop & go "severe conditions" but 7,500 for normal conditions which I actually fall into).   You must do a lot of city driving?
#5827 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [captain2] by thegraduate Mar 17, 2008 (10:31 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 10:26 am) the Av has a helpful reminder that flashes at you at 5k intervals, which corresponds to mfgr. recommendations   I see.   A certain Toyota competitor's maintenance minder monitors driving style (counting RPM) and doesn't go strictly by mileage. For example, my driving sends me for a service about every 7500, according to the minder, while my dad's car with the same monitor goes about every 6000, since he races around a bit more than I.   My old 1996 (this was around a long time before though) has a little colored square under the speedo which you reset yourself by inserting the key into a hole beside it. At 6,000 miles it turns yellow (from green) and at 7500 turns red. It's simple, and doesn't glare at you, but it's kinda handy considering the vehicle's age.
#5828 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [captain2] by imidazol97 Mar 17, 2008 (10:38 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 10:26 am) >reminder that flashes at you at 5k intervals,   You mean the Avalon does not have an oil life monitor that senses how the engine is being used, temperature, number of starts, miles, speeds, etc., to adjust the life of the oil it's predicitng? I could have a QuickLube sticker onthe windshield tell me the 5000 miles intervals. Replies to this message: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 10:58 am) thegraduate (Mar 17, 2008 11:13 am) imidazol97 (Mar 17, 2008 11:17 am) captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 11:19 am) and 2 more...
#5829 of 6844 Re: Avalon Outside mirrors [louiswei] by captain2 Mar 17, 2008 (10:42 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am) always thought the quality/fit n' finish was a level higher on the Lexus labelled products than on the Toyota labelled ones, even ESs. The effects of 'made in Japan' perhaps, but the ES ,while it has always been a 'glorified' Camry, I believe to offer something other than 'free loaner cars' for the extra money despite the 'disdain' that owners of the true RWD Lexus' have for them
#5830 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [captain2] by louiswei Mar 17, 2008 (10:47 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 10:26 am) the Av has a helpful reminder that flashes at you at 5k intervals   Captain, if the Avalon uses the same system as my Lexus (which I think it does) then the reminder isn't set to pop up at every 5k miles. Instead, the system actually monitors the oil condition and when it thinks an oil change is required you'll see it flashing at you.   I've paid attention to this several times and not once did it pop up at 5k (or 4.9k, 4.8k...) mile exactly from the last oil change. Replies to this message: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 11:10 am)
#5831 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [imidazol97] by captain2 Mar 17, 2008 (10:58 am)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 17, 2008 10:38 am) that's correct - would seem to me to be a whole lot more reliable in terms of the engine getting properly lubricated - your inference being that you would trust some silly computer to evaluate your driving style, so IT can make that decision and IT knows what type oil I put in it? Ridiculous idea IMO, with my heavy highway driving, I am supposed to trust a computer to tell me that after 15k or so, I might want to change my oil and then go argue with some dealer somewhere that is contending that I didn't change the oil (when trying to get out of a warranty claim) that it's all OK 'I did what the computer told me? No thank you - I'll take changing it every 5k - whether some silly computer 'thinks' it needs to be or not. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Mar 17, 2008 11:13 am) imidazol97 (Mar 17, 2008 11:17 am) captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 11:19 am) thegraduate (Mar 17, 2008 11:25 am) and 1 more...
#5832 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [louiswei] by captain2 Mar 17, 2008 (11:10 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Mar 17, 2008 10:47 am) louis- to my knowledge there is no program in the Avalon that does nothing more than illuminate a dash ' maintainence' req'd' light precisely at 5k,10k, 15k etc etc.If there is some sort of computer driven 'oil life' determination, I have never seen it - maybe because I do a lot of hwy driving and I do heed the 5k reminders.  Would be surprised though, that Lexus would have something like this but that it wouldn't carry thru to ALL Toyota products given Toyota's history with sludging. This kind of 'technology' is cheap once a mfgr. has it. To me it's more a question of whether you should trust it.
#5833 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [captain2] by thegraduate Mar 17, 2008 (11:13 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 10:58 am) I might want to change my oil and then go argue with some dealer somewhere that is contending that I didn't change the oil (when trying to get out of a warranty claim)   No dealer could get by with avoiding your warranty claim if you followed instructions in your owners manual. You would be following the maintenance intervals you were told to (by the minder).   What computer ever gave someone a 15k interval?   As far as Lexus having it but keeping it from 'yota, I'd be surprised. Honda has put it in cars all the way down to the lowly Civic since 2006 (other Honda vehicles had it even before that).
#5834 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [captain2] by imidazol97 Mar 17, 2008 (11:17 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 10:58 am) >that you would trust some silly computer to evaluate your driving style, so IT can make that decision and IT knows what type oil I put in it?   Sounds a lot better than letting a "silly mechanical mechanism" pop up a 5K indicator. Time to get your oil changes regardless of what kind of oil you put in! It's 5K miles? Hehheeee.   I'll take a sensor that integrates the temperature effects and speed and number of starts and other variables. Replies to this message: captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 11:19 am) thegraduate (Mar 17, 2008 11:25 am) captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 11:54 am)
#5835 of 6844 Re: Genesis is Coming [imidazol97] by captain2 Mar 17, 2008 (11:19 am)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 17, 2008 11:17 am) not too me - I'll put trust in myself a long time before I'll put trust in a machine - Heheeee Replies to this message: thegraduate (Mar 17, 2008 11:25 am) captain2 (Mar 17, 2008 11:54 am)

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