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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#5621 of 6854 Re: Why we can't stop talking about the Genesis.... [tjc78] by smithed

Mar 05, 2008 (7:19 am)

Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 05, 2008 6:20 am)
My two cents:
Lucerne: Nice car, but, older design and antique engines (Agreed, I might buy if I were 65 or older }
Impala: same as above and rental fleet king (Agreed, but that V8 might be fun in the SS)
Charger/300: great V8 thats where it ends (Have one, like the MDS HEMI, the handling is great with the independently suspended RWD, comfortable inside and the LXFORUMS.com is a great group of folk)
Taurus: OK, but, everyone knows its a 500 with a new engine (based on an old Volvo) {Nice big trunk and AWD available, Brother In Law bought one for hills in Western PA}
Azera: Great car, great price, lagging behind only in FE and resale (I drove one, nice car, nice price. Hyundai name?}
Avalon: Top of the class, but pricey and starting to age with no update until 2010. (Toyota's Buick: see Lucerne)
Maxima: Altima is so close here makes it hard to spend the extra $ (I would definitely go with the Altima)
G8: Hardly will be mainstream GM will barely be able to produce any, making it a niche vehicle at best think GTO from a few years back. (Agreed, Hard to believe that GM has to import a car from Australia to make a RWD or AWD V8 Sedan)

#5622 of 6854 Re: Why we can't stop talking about the Genesis.... [tjc78] by captain2

Mar 05, 2008 (8:46 am)

Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 05, 2008 6:20 am)
the "mainstream" large car market really isn't that great.
the mainstream large sedan by definition is not supposed to be 'exciting'. They are generally bought as family sedans and/or by an older demographic because as a rule, they are practical. It is cars like the 300C/Charger R/T, the G8, and potentially the Genesis that can break that conservative mold and provide something for the enthusiast at a reasonable price. It wasn't all that long ago that the staid old 'family' sedan was quite unremarkable - think the Buick LeSabre of the mid 90s, the CVs/GMs or even the Avalon of the same years. Not exciting and not 'great' , for sure. Now, at least, we have power and economy that has been unavailable in this class, and even these FWD cars can do things (power and FE wise) that they have not been able to do before.

#5623 of 6854 Topical cars by pat

Mar 05, 2008 (9:50 am)

ANY mainstream large sedan ~$30k may be discussed here. We can list nine, no more. I've swapped some in and out at different times, but that's all I can do.
 
I did have the G8 in here and a while back you folks told me to take it out so I did.
 
Dborth, we've discussed this previously, maybe you were absent that day : this discussion appears on all the boards of the listed cars. I don't know why people keep making the mistake of thinking this is an Azera discussion that includes other cars, but you aren't the only one who has done that. Anyway, that's not the case.
 
Carry on.
 

#5624 of 6854 Re: Topical cars [pat] by dborth

Mar 05, 2008 (11:14 am)

Replying to: pat (Mar 05, 2008 9:50 am)
Re 5623: Highlighted below is what appears at the top of this thread:
 
Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison
5623 messages, Last post on Mar 05, 2008 at 8:50 AM
 
You are in the Hyundai Azera Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

#5625 of 6854 Re: Topical cars [dborth] by captain2

Mar 05, 2008 (11:26 am)

Replying to: dborth (Mar 05, 2008 11:14 am)
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
 
this is what it says on the top of my screen. I guess it must depend on the route you took to get to 'Mainstream Sedans'

#5626 of 6854 Re: Topical cars [captain2] by allmet33

Mar 05, 2008 (11:34 am)

Replying to: captain2 (Mar 05, 2008 11:26 am)
That's what it says on top of my screen too.

#5627 of 6854 Re: Genesis Lux or not ? [hjc1] by vic10

Mar 05, 2008 (11:49 am)

Replying to: hjc1 (Mar 03, 2008 6:42 pm)
"Why can we just wait till the Genesis is in the dealers showroom and then we can determine what it should be called...... Let the public decide if this is a Lux car or not."
 
Interesting concept...but how would you do this? Everything said so far about the Genesis indicates is a well equipped car at a bargain price so people would move up to it who can't afford a Lexus, MB, etc. That would make it not a luxury car but a "mainstream large sedan" that may be better equipped than most. You'd have to see luxury car buyers (and I don't mean people who get bargain lease rates, I mean buyers) giving up their Lexus and MB's to purchase a Genesis in order for the car to be luxury and we all know that ain't gonna happen......

#5628 of 6854 Re: Why we can't stop talking about the Genesis.... [captain2] by tjc78

Mar 05, 2008 (11:55 am)

Replying to: captain2 (Mar 05, 2008 8:46 am)
"Now, at least, we have power and economy that has been unavailable in this class"
 
True, a large car that had 250+ HP that could pull 30+ on the highway was unheard of until the current crop of sedans. Hopefully, things will only get better. I still wish for fresher offerings from GM and Ford, but the midsize market is what they focus on. Which, of course, they should that is where the bulk of the dollars are!

#5629 of 6854 Re: Genesis Lux or not ? [vic10] by captain2

Mar 05, 2008 (12:05 pm)

Replying to: vic10 (Mar 05, 2008 11:49 am)
That would make it not a luxury car but a "mainstream large sedan" that may be better equipped than most. You'd have to see luxury car buyers (and I don't mean people who get bargain lease rates, I mean buyers) giving up their Lexus and MB's to purchase a Genesis in order for the car to be luxury and we all know that ain't gonna happen......
Well put - maybe your phraseology won't be construed as 'anti-H' - but the fact is is that it might happen (BMW buyers at a Hyundai lot) IF the car is even half as good as the publicists would like you to believe. hjc1 is right, of course, it's a waste of time talking about the thing until there are some reviewed and rated examples, at least. Still haven't even seen results from any EPA FE testing, never mind a real road test.
I'm confident that the upcoming BMW 1 series has thousands of preorders, because there is an established historyfor the brand. It would be interesting to know what kind of buyers are preordering a Genesis....

#5630 of 6854 Re: Why we can't stop talking about the Genesis.... [tjc78] by captain2

Mar 05, 2008 (12:12 pm)

Replying to: tjc78 (Mar 05, 2008 11:55 am)
True, a large car that had 250+ HP that could pull 30+ on the highway
THAT more than anything else is what has me 'excited'. I'm certainly too old (grown up?) to be out playing speed racer in my Avalon but the occasional 'grins' that come from all that power along with the FE numbers that I see regularly on the trip computer - now THAT would be something else again

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