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Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 25, 2008 7:04 pm) |
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 3:07 pm) You claim the 300 only does well because of the Hemi, but most of the ones you see on the road aren't the C...most of them are the Touring model, so there goes THAT theory. So...you mean to tell me that if the 300 offered the same amenities and features as the Avalon, that it wouldn't matter to folks which one they chose??? That's crazy!!! First of all, you have too many folks that believe that FWD is the way to go. I'm sorry, but I disagree with you on the whole folks not caring if a car is FWD or RWD. You would really LOVE to see the Azera go bye-bye, huh? Then the Avalon wouldn't have a direct competitor (from Hyundai) any more. I hate to say it, the Genesis would blow the Avalon out of the water, as well as the Max and any other car in the Mainstream Large Car segment! LMAO
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Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 25, 2008 7:04 pm) 
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 6:19 am) First, Hyundai is not constitutionally incapable of producing a car with firmer shocks. It's as simple as handing your supplier a sheet of paper with a higher number on it. If they went to the trouble of developing this car's road behavior extensively in Europe with the express purpose of benchmarking German sedans, there's no reason to believe they won't come close to their spring and shock rates. Second, I'm not a prophet, so I can't say whether the Genesis will sell. But I think the suggestion that it will never ever appeal to BMW/Infiniti/Acura buyers, only to Chrysler 300C customers, is ridiculous. The Genesis buyer is not a 300C buyer. Although the 300C has RWD, what it's really all about is bling. The Genesis is a much subtler car, and its enormous advance buzz will draw looks from exactly the educated crowd that buys mid-size true luxury and launched Lexus. You guys are forgetting that we're heading into a serious recession here. Value versions of true luxury merchandise are perfectly positioned to benefit from it. As with the early years of Lexus, wealthy people will not all be too proud to shop smart. Finally, as for the notion that the Azera is doomed in this country: Maybe, but it's not a slam dunk. It's fair to assume that if the Genesis scores, Hyundai may well spin it off into a separate brand with its own showrooms in a few years. If that happens, you're looking at a situation similar to Toyota -- where the top offering in the mainstream dealerships is a stretched lux version of the family sedan, and the RWD models are confined to the luxury division. As long as the Grandeur makes money in Korea, Hyundai may decide that retaining the Azera is an inexpensive way to keep their options open. To me, the most ominous development for the Azera is the new Sonata Limited's sudden appropriation of all its exterior styling cues. This makes me wonder if Hyundai is positioning the Sonata Limited to take the Azera's place (which I think it doesn't quite manage).
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Replying to: tonycd (Feb 26, 2008 8:42 am) 300C = Bling? LMAO That's what the dealers have to add to it to push them out the door. Everywhere I go, I see Chrysler dealers with 300's all over the lot with aftermarket grilles and wheels added on by the dealer just to make them more appealing. The ghetto Bentley (as it's affectionately known in these parts) is quite bland without all the bling-age that folks add on. The novelty of it's ode to the past has really worn off, even Chrysler knows it. Have you seen the new Chrysler 300 ad on TV where they show a bunch of owners and how they fixed their particular 300 up? As far as the Sonata's facelift...I really don't think the Azera will suffer from it. I mean...look at how long the Altima and the Maxima looked similar. Heck...even the Sentra shared styling of the Altima and Max. Unless they make the Sonata bigger, the Azera will still hold it's own. If anything, I can see that Sonata Limited being something of a sportier version of the Azera. Sorta like what the Solara was for Camry (remember when it was Camry Solara?). However, in this case...it would remain a 4-door sedan.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 26, 2008 8:56 am) If the manufacturer and its entire line up is of interest, there are plenty of topics on the Auto New board to accommodate any of that sort of conversation.
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Replying to: pat (Feb 26, 2008 9:27 am) This wasn't a conversation about other cars not mentioned in the list above, they were mentioned as a reference to point something out. It's okay to talk about BMW's, Mercedes, Lexus, Rolls Royce and other makes without being prompted to come back to topic...why is that? |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 26, 2008 6:23 am) He meant the price will go down for each subsequent model years WITHIN THE SAME GENERATION. However, just for argument's sake, car prices are actually getting cheaper if you take the inflation into consideration, especially for luxury cars.
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 26, 2008 10:26 am) He meant the price will go down for each subsequent model years WITHIN THE SAME GENERATION. Bingo, thus the Azera should only be cheaper than it was when I got my quote.
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Replying to: tonycd (Feb 26, 2008 8:42 am) As for suggesting that Genesis would appeal to the "BMW/Infiniti/Acura" crowd... First of all I would not put Acura in the same class as BMW/MB/Lexus and maybe even Infiniti. I am sure Genesis will be able to attract some TL potential buyers because generally speaking people going after Acura are the "luxury value shoppers" and that's exact the segment Hyundai want to conquest with the Genesis. On the other hand, BMW/MB/Lexus shoppers are going after prestige, brand image and the ultimate customer service (performance luxury on a value for Infiniti shoppers) where even brands like Acura and Volvo can't match and you think Hyundai will be able to compete? As for the 300, not all 300 shoppers are going after the "bling factor", many of them (if not the majority) like full size, luxury on a value, RWD and big V8. That, my friend, is exactly the population that Genesis is trying to reach out to. Sure we are going into a serious recession here but let's not forget, usually a recession effects more on people in the lower 3/4 of the pyramid rather than the top quarter. But who are the core buyers for all those luxury brands? You guessed it right, the top 1/4 people in the pyramid... Do you really think that group will also be the core buyers for the Genesis? If you do then you have a serious misunderstanding about how actually does the auto market work. I personally don't think Hyundai will ax the Azera and I agree that eventually Genesis will spin off to become a separate brand with a separate dealership network. If that's the case, wouldn't it be better to separate the name Genesis totally from Hyundai from the very beginning just like what Toyota did with Lexus?
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