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#5352 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by joe97 Feb 25, 2008 (1:43 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:36 pm) a big 10-4 on the government subsidies if this is the case   No govt subsides. Home market. Hyundai sold at least 10,000 (probably like 12K or more) units last month, and it wasn't even a full month. Plus, the home market pricing is higher than the range here.
#5353 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by tjc78 Feb 25, 2008 (1:44 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:36 pm) "Pontiac is hoping for 40000 G8s/year "   I am sure they can sell that many the question is: can they even produce that many for the US market? Replies to this message: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:52 pm) joe97 (Feb 25, 2008 1:58 pm) captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 3:41 pm)
#5354 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [tjc78] by allmet33 Feb 25, 2008 (8:45 am)
Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 3:42 am) I don't think they compare in any way other than being RWD. Well, maybe the 300 but the Charger and G8 are more performance oriented than the Genesis will be. Yes the Genesis will be a straight line performer, but I will bet anything that it will be knocked for being "floaty". The masses like a smooth ride and Hyundai will not stray from that.   Like you said...too soon to really know that for sure. Hyundai could very well surprise all and the Genesis could outperform all 3 (300C, Charger R/T & G8). However, when I said compare the Genesis to them...it was more in terms of what you get for the money.   As compared to the G8...the power will be close to the same in V-8 form, the Genesis will get the nod in amenities and features. As compared to the 300C or Charger R/T...the Genesis will offer more power, as well as more features and amenities as well.   Concerning performance...we will just have to see what happens when the Genesis actually drops and testing has been conducted to see where it stands as a performance sedan.
#5355 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by allmet33 Feb 25, 2008 (1:50 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 9:00 am) Hyundai already has one vehicle that approaces the $40K mark...the Veracruz. One thing I think that's helping it is the comparison that has been done between it and the RX350, and doing a good job of holding it's ground.   The Genesis can benefit from the same (once it drops). If it holds it's ground well, against the cars it's competing against...the sticker won't be that much of a shock at all...considering everything you would be getting for the price.   From the perspective of 'what you get for the money', my Azera has been more than worth every penny. I can only imagine that they learned their mistakes with the Azera and don't make the same ones with the Genesis. Replies to this message: louiswei (Feb 25, 2008 2:12 pm) allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 2:45 pm)
#5356 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [tjc78] by captain2 Feb 25, 2008 (1:52 pm)
Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 1:44 pm) the GTO was originally in high demand - Pontiac apparently limited to 'down under ' production capabilities as you suggest - and also a reason why apparently we don't get to see a RWD Impala, a car that 'sells' regularly 2-300000 copies a year but would need a new factory - that GM can't afford apparently. Replies to this message: joe97 (Feb 25, 2008 1:58 pm) captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 3:41 pm)
#5357 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [tjc78] by joe97 Feb 25, 2008 (1:54 pm)
Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 1:42 pm) I hate to use a cliche but you can literally hear a pin drop inside Azera's cabin when idle, at low speeds, or cruising; even at full-throttle, it is restrained. Hyundai has really done a good job in those departments such as NVH, ride quality. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 2:00 pm)
#5358 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [carolinabob] by allmet33 Feb 25, 2008 (1:55 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Feb 25, 2008 10:38 am) Bob...I'm with you on this one. I was told that the Azera would run $30K when I first started looking at it. However, when I walked into the dealer and asked them to make me a deal...their very first offer sheet (no rebates or incentives) was $26,018...the sticker on the car showed $29,380. Is the car WORTH $30K? I would say yes, has anyone paid $30K for one...depending on the market you purchase one in...it's possible. However, overall...I think most are in the same situation as you and myself...ended up paying at least $3K below MSRP.
#5359 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by joe97 Feb 25, 2008 (1:58 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:52 pm) GTO was limited in production numbers, but the revivial never caught on. There were already huge discounts in the first year (2004 IIRC) to get some respective numbers. It just went down hill from there in its three year run until 2006.   Pity, a good vehicle. Replies to this message: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 3:41 pm)
#5360 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [joe97] by allmet33 Feb 25, 2008 (2:00 pm)
Replying to: joe97 (Feb 25, 2008 1:54 pm) I hate to use a cliche but you can literally hear a pin drop inside Azera's cabin when idle, at low speeds, or cruising; even at full-throttle, it is restrained. Hyundai has really done a good job in those departments such as NVH, ride quality.   LOL The cabin is quite hushed during normal driving. At idle, I have to peek at the tach to make sure the car is even running. Heck, you don't even get any engine feedback through the steering wheel. However, under full throttle...the exhaust produces a nice, throaty growl. I'm not one for those loud raucus tuner exhausts, nor do I care for the loud, beligerent roar of free flowing exhausts on muscle cars. I DEFINITELY appreciate the sound of the Azera's exhaust under full throttle though.
#5361 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [thegraduate] by allmet33 Feb 25, 2008 (2:07 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 25, 2008 10:58 am) Well...over a year ago...the GLS model didn't exist. They orginally offered the SE and Limited, both with the 3.8L V-6. Then, for 2007...they added the 3.3L V-6 as the GLS trim level. Now...they dropped the SE model and now you can either get the GLS (3.3) or the Limited (3.8). The GLS starts out at $24,600K and the Limited starts out at $28,550K...MSRP.   What would make you think the price would go down after subsequent model years? They may offer deeper rebaters or greater incentives than in the past, but the price usually doesn't drop unless the car is just doing pitifully in sales. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Feb 25, 2008 7:04 pm) gamleged (Feb 25, 2008 8:35 pm) tjc78 (Feb 26, 2008 4:26 am) allmet33 (Feb 26, 2008 6:23 am) louiswei (Feb 26, 2008 10:26 am) and 3 more...

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