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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by dborth
Feb 25, 2008 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 8:39 am)

Re: 5332 Hyundai is probably cutting its own throat by even having the Azera there as an option. I believe that the Hyundai marketing mavens might also be understanding this. Now if it were called something else and it was bought somewhere else -
 
Can you imagine a consumer looking to upgrade their Accord / Camry but otherwise pass on Avalon/Lexus/Acura. So the improved US marketing and / or Super Bowl commercials stick in that consumers mind and they remember Genesis regardless of v8, RWD or maybe it is simply a nice looking car.
 
They get to the Hyundai dealership and if an Azera is anywhere near a Genesis, the dealer salesperson will have to do the mother of all pitches to explain the difference.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [allmet33] by thegraduate
Feb 25, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 7:38 am)

I got a quote for my dad well over a year ago on the SE model (it had the 3.8). The quote was $22,948 out the door. I'd think they'd only come down since then.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [dborth] by captain2
Feb 25, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Feb 25, 2008 10:54 am)

the dealer salesperson will have to do the mother of all pitches to explain the difference.
agreed , and I don't believe that the 'normal' autobuyer is going to be able to tell the difference by driving them (FWD vs. RWD). Now if they do 'tighten' up the Genesis as opposed to the 'soft' Azera then that same buyer probably does feel the difference. That actually may work to Genesis' disadvantage, making it an even more difficult sale.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [dborth] by louiswei
Feb 25, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: dborth (Feb 25, 2008 10:54 am)

Can you imagine a consumer looking to upgrade their Accord / Camry but otherwise pass on Avalon/Lexus/Acura.
 
If someone is happy with the Accord/Camry and looking to upgrade I can guarantee that the last place they'll look is a Hyundai dealership (okay, maybe KIA).
 
Mark my words.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [carolinabob] by tjc78
Feb 25, 2008 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Feb 25, 2008 10:38 am)

"Personally I think there will still be a place for the Azera, just as there is a place for the Camry XLE V6, which is very different from the Camry LE."
 
Apples and oranges here. Its much more profitable for a manufacturer to build one vehicle different ways than to have two completely different vehicles in the same class.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by tjc78
Feb 25, 2008 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 10:37 am)

"was that the Genesis would be more a 'sports sedan ' than a 'land yacht'"
 
I'll believe it when I see it. I believe that it will be no tighter than an Avalon touring. Of course, the RWD and better weight distribution will help things.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [allmet33] by joe97
Feb 25, 2008 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 8:09 am)

How do you go about comparing the Genesis to the Avalon or Max when it'll have about the same power (in 3.8 V-6 form), but with RWD be a better driving car than either the Av or Max. The Lucerne in V-8 form won't contend with the Genesis in any form, heck...it's a weak competitor for the Azera.
 
Actually, the trim Genesis expected to have the most deliveries pumps out more horsepower than every other car discussed here recently. The V8 too, also the 3.3 264hp is something very efficient.
 
Hyundai will not have to sell a crazy amount of cars to be measured as a success. A modest 1K-2K/month is a good step tracking up. More importantly, the intangibles the Genesis (and the Genesis Coupe) bring to the table are impossible to quantify.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [tjc78] by captain2
Feb 25, 2008 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 1:02 pm)

more a 'sports sedan ' than a 'land yacht'"
this according to that Hyundai rep. in that MT article but OTH if you look at the Azera or even the Sonata/Elantra/Amanti/Optima, the Koreans have seemingly discovered the virtues of 'soft', outdoing even Toyota in that respect. That ain't easy. The Genesis - a sports sedan? Like you, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [tjc78] by joe97
Feb 25, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 3:42 am)

For the Azera and Avalon, I've actually found the ride quality, NVH, for example, pretty much neck by neck, with the Azera having a slight edge.
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Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by joe97
Feb 25, 2008 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:23 pm)

I would say it's more of a luxury sports sedan than a sports sedan.

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