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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 2:42 am) Does any 'Hyundai' model sell well, without also being the 'cheapest'? A real 'enthusiast' might consider paying 'more' for a RWD because all else equal it will likely be a 'better' car from strictly a dynamic point of view. Most buyers, however, I contend, are only buying size, price, and brand perception/resale - probably in that order- and don't give a darn about things like FWD/RWD or vehicle dynamics.
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 2:42 am) How do you go about comparing the Genesis to the Avalon or Max when it'll have about the same power (in 3.8 V-6 form), but with RWD be a better driving car than either the Av or Max. The Lucerne in V-8 form won't contend with the Genesis in any form, heck...it's a weak competitor for the Azera. When you weight the option of spending say $33K for a FWD Avalon vs. a RWD Genesis, even though they may be comparably equipped...I hate to say it, I think the FWD Avalon will win out. Now...compare a fully loaded V-8 Genesis to the 300C/Charger R/T or the G8...the Genesis will give you a laundry list of amenities that you won't get in the other 3 mentioned and fully loaded, the G8 will probably be the least expensive option. The Genesis will fall between the G8 and the 300C/Charger R/T.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 8:09 am)  objective evaluation, allmet - but not an answer to why Hyundai should or should not even continue making the Azera. Think of a large sedan buyer on a Saturday afternoon touring a Hyundai dealer - that buyer is likely very price sensative (otherwise he wouldn't be there in the first place) and he has a choice between a loaded to the gills Azera for lets say $26k, and a 3.8 Genesis for maybe $32 or $33k - is he really going to pay that extra $6k for the RWD? My contention is probably not - so therefore Hyundai is probably cutting its own throat by even having the Azera there as an option. I believe that the Hyundai marketing mavens might also be understanding this. Now if it were called something else and it was bought somewhere else - perhaps he might spend that 6 grand (or potentially even more) .
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 8:09 am) That remains to be seen. Handling at the limits yes Genesis will win. However, ride quality, NVH etc is tough to beat in the Avalon. Too soon to make any of those claims. "Now...compare a fully loaded V-8 Genesis to the 300C/Charger R/T or the G8.." I don't think they compare in any way other than being RWD. Well, maybe the 300 but the Charger and G8 are more performance oriented than the Genesis will be. Yes the Genesis will be a straight line performer, but I will bet anything that it will be knocked for being "floaty". The masses like a smooth ride and Hyundai will not stray from that.
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 3:03 am) Probably not currently, however, the Genesis may start to change that
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 3:44 am) It's going to have to - isn't it? I just can't get by 'sticker shock' - imagine, something approaching $40k (or even more) for a Hyundai - and you are right - in a strictly 'what you get for the money' perspective it could be worth every penny! |
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 9:00 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 3:42 am) undeniably, true - the reason for Toyota's success. The comments from that Hyundai rep I mentioned in that MT article however, was that the Genesis would be more a 'sports sedan ' than a 'land yacht'. There was a comment from the article author that casts some doubt on Hyundai's ability to build a 'sports sedan'....
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 9:34 am) Also, did anybody pay close to MSRP for an Azera? Mine was 4,000 off. I looked at the Avalon Limited, but to get comparable equipment, I would have been at 5,000 more with the best offer trading in a 2003 Camry. Toyota and Lexus just do not discount their cars very much. Biggest thing I had against the Avalon was that it looks and feels small. Also, the interior did not appear to well designed,e.g. white buttons on controls, doors over controls, etc. Nice to tell people it is a $30,000 car, even it doesn't really cost that much.
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