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6844 messages, Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#5317 of 6844 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by captain2 Feb 22, 2008 (5:46 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Feb 22, 2008 9:55 am) actually what I was thinking of is a Buick Lucerne apparently built over there - with a 4 cylinder engine! And I thought it needed some help with that vintage V6! Hasn't GM already started to open Buick plants in China and also built Lucerne/Lacrosse knockoffs in Shanghai? Think the Park Avenue is still available over there as well - that being a Holden. FWIU, Buick is THE car to own over there, but really, a 2 ton Lucerne with a 150hp 4 banger!!!. In any case, can export to the States be far behind ? Replies to this message: tjc78 (Feb 22, 2008 11:09 am) louiswei (Feb 22, 2008 11:11 am) tjc78 (Feb 22, 2008 12:10 pm) captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 2:10 pm) and 1 more... thegraduate (Feb 23, 2008 10:07 pm)
#5318 of 6844 Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by tjc78 Feb 22, 2008 (11:09 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 5:46 am) There is no way that the Chinese Lucerne will make it over here with that powertrain. Must be like driving something from the 80s. I do see your point, it must be a helluva lot cheaper to build over there than in the States.
#5319 of 6844 Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by louiswei Feb 22, 2008 (11:11 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 5:46 am) Ah, I know which one you were talking about, it's the Chinese Buick LaCrosse, not Lucerne. The new Chinese Buick Park Avenue is the rebadged Holden Commodore. Actually currently Buick is (guys, if you are holding a cup of coffee in your hand right now, put it down...) the number one selling import brand in the Chinese market. Chinese Buick Park Avenue: Chinese Buick LaCrosse: Replies to this message: tjc78 (Feb 22, 2008 12:10 pm) captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 2:10 pm) tjc78 (Feb 23, 2008 8:17 am) thegraduate (Feb 23, 2008 10:07 pm)
#5320 of 6844 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by tjc78 Feb 22, 2008 (12:10 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Feb 22, 2008 11:11 am) Why do they get better looking cars than the US? Those interiors are great. Replies to this message: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 2:10 pm) tjc78 (Feb 23, 2008 8:17 am)
#5321 of 6844 Re: 2009 maxima [tjc78] by captain2 Feb 22, 2008 (2:10 pm)
Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 22, 2008 12:10 pm) don't know about that - IMO that mismatched hard grey plastic center stack reminds me of something I would expect in a Chrysler - not good. Note that they are identical in both cars, and even the 'wood' doesn't even give the real thing a passing nod. outside styling though, better. Replies to this message: tjc78 (Feb 23, 2008 8:17 am)
#5322 of 6844 Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by tjc78 Feb 23, 2008 (8:17 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 2:10 pm) The center stack is a little out of place, but overall I still think it looks pretty good. No plastic wood ever looks that great, even my Avalon looks a little cheesy to me. They improved it with the '08, but fake is fake.
#5323 of 6844 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by thegraduate Feb 23, 2008 (10:07 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Feb 22, 2008 11:11 am) Got Plood?
#5324 of 6844 Curtains for the Azera? by captain2 Feb 25, 2008 (1:46 am)
In the current issue of MT, a 'first look' at the Genesis - not an actual road test, but in it a few comments from a Hyundai exec. talking about its anticipated competitors (supposedly the 300/Avalon/Maxima in lieu of those 'premium' brand models we have discussed here) This I'll bite on, although it will not have the 'traditional' Hyundai price advantage over those specific cars. The question is: If the Genesis is supposed to steal away Avalon/Maxima customers (which is more logical) then WHY the Azera - a car more directly comparable that does have that Korean price hook? Sure sounds like the Azera is about to become an orphan - for those who do shop the Hyundai brand, wouldn't the Azera be a far cheaper alternative to Hyundai's own Genesis otherwise? Replies to this message: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 7:06 am) captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 7:17 am) allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 7:38 am) and 10 more... tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 2:42 am) and 101 more...
#5325 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [captain2] by tjc78 Feb 25, 2008 (7:06 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 1:46 am) IMO only the loaded up versions of the Azera are true competition for the Avalon and Maxima. This brings the car to 30K ( and above). From what I have read the Genesis with the 3.3 will start just under 30K. Sort of a wash. Honestly Hyundai having the Genesis and the Azera is worse than Chevy having the Malibu and Impala, Camry/Av etc. At least those vehicles are different sizes. Replies to this message: captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 7:17 am) allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 7:38 am) thegraduate (Feb 25, 2008 10:58 am) and 9 more... tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 2:42 am) captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 3:03 am) and 9 more... allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 8:09 am) and 89 more...
#5326 of 6844 Re: Curtains for the Azera? [tjc78] by captain2 Feb 25, 2008 (7:17 am)
Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 7:06 am) been seeing lots of 'come-on' ads for Maximas lately - at $23-$25K, a price you'll never find for any trim Avalon, and even possibly Azeras. Agree with you on the apparent redundancy of the Azera - if you consider also the likely 'market' for the Genesis. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 7:38 am) thegraduate (Feb 25, 2008 10:58 am) allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 2:07 pm) and 8 more... tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 2:42 am) captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 3:03 am) tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 3:44 am) and 8 more... allmet33 (Feb 25, 2008 8:09 am) captain2 (Feb 25, 2008 8:39 am) and 70 more... tjc78 (Feb 25, 2008 3:42 am) and 10 more... joe97 (Feb 25, 2008 1:21 pm) and 6 more...

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