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6844 messages,  Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by tjc78
Feb 22, 2008 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 7:46 am)

"This would be the same thing that Toyota did with the original Avalon back in the early/mid 90s and is also not too much different then Nissan does with the Altima/Maxima"
 
My point exactly.... worked for them!
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Re: 2009 maxima [tjc78] by captain2
Feb 22, 2008 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 22, 2008 7:53 am)

if I were to guess, I would think that secretly GM is looking to the Far East for not only things like rebadged Australian Holdens but also things like Chinese Buicks. GM will eventually go the way of a Zenith or a GE and there will no longer be any GM labelled products built in the USA and perhaps even Canada. Don't know if they will survive long enough that we might see it. This, of course, the opposite of what we are seeing from the European/Japanese/Korean mfgrs, that continue to move US market production back where it belongs.
This 'switch' is pretty much what has happened to that icon of 'the American car' the Mustang and should likewise dictate what GM does with a similar icon - the Impala. Besides a rather checkered quality related history, GM is seemingly also fighting rebate and rental car 'traditions' which along with labor costs kills their bottom line . If you think about it - what 'American' brand symbolizes quality - Cadillac,Lincoln/Mercury, Buick (?) - all of which is not particularily fair, they have improved.
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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by tjc78
Feb 22, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 8:44 am)

"If you think about it - what 'American' brand symbolizes quality - Cadillac,Lincoln/Mercury, Buick (?) "
 
Lincoln and Mercury are near death. At least Buick and Cadillac show some signs of life with the Enclave and CTS. You are right all the domestics have improved, however, they are still not able to sell without large rebates or 0% financing. The other day there was a commercial for a $3500 rebate on the Lucerne. Figuring another $3000 from the dealer, not a bad deal. Of course, what happens to resale is a whole other story.
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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by louiswei
Feb 22, 2008 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 8:44 am)

The Chinese Buick is essentially a rebadged Holden Commodore, same as the G8. It is just a more luxurious version of it.
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Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by captain2
Feb 22, 2008 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 22, 2008 9:55 am)

actually what I was thinking of is a Buick Lucerne apparently built over there - with a 4 cylinder engine! And I thought it needed some help with that vintage V6!
Hasn't GM already started to open Buick plants in China and also built Lucerne/Lacrosse knockoffs in Shanghai? Think the Park Avenue is still available over there as well - that being a Holden. FWIU, Buick is THE car to own over there, but really, a 2 ton Lucerne with a 150hp 4 banger!!!. In any case, can export to the States be far behind ?
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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by tjc78
Feb 22, 2008 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 5:46 am)

There is no way that the Chinese Lucerne will make it over here with that powertrain. Must be like driving something from the 80s. I do see your point, it must be a helluva lot cheaper to build over there than in the States.
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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by louiswei
Feb 22, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 5:46 am)

Ah, I know which one you were talking about, it's the Chinese Buick LaCrosse, not Lucerne. The new Chinese Buick Park Avenue is the rebadged Holden Commodore. Actually currently Buick is (guys, if you are holding a cup of coffee in your hand right now, put it down...) the number one selling import brand in the Chinese market.
 
Chinese Buick Park Avenue:


 
Chinese Buick LaCrosse:

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Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by tjc78
Feb 22, 2008 (12:10 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 22, 2008 11:11 am)

Why do they get better looking cars than the US? Those interiors are great.
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Re: 2009 maxima [tjc78] by captain2
Feb 22, 2008 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 22, 2008 12:10 pm)

don't know about that - IMO that mismatched hard grey plastic center stack reminds me of something I would expect in a Chrysler - not good. Note that they are identical in both cars, and even the 'wood' doesn't even give the real thing a passing nod. outside styling though, better.
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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by tjc78
Feb 23, 2008 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 22, 2008 2:10 pm)

The center stack is a little out of place, but overall I still think it looks pretty good. No plastic wood ever looks that great, even my Avalon looks a little cheesy to me. They improved it with the '08, but fake is fake.

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