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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 21, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 21, 2008 10:44 am)

You said it can't be based on the CTS platform.
 
Okay...let's see if we can't make sense of this.
 
If the CTS platform exists first and it's a tad bit too small for the Impala to use as is. Then...if it were re-worked to fit the Impala, wouldn't that be an Impala "BASED" on the CTS platform?
 
In your own words, you basically said (when I first posted about it) that the CTS platform wouldn't work because it was too small (I dare you to go back and check that out...you DID say that). Well...with the current CTS platform having just really changed...I doubt if it would change again by the time the RWD Impala would be brought out (if it even goes RWD). Now...if they changed the CTS platform and made it bigger and it would fit the Impala, THEN...they would be SHARING platforms.
 
So...based on your own words, they couldn't share platforms based on what I orginally said about the FUTURE RWD Impala being based on the CURRENT CTS platform.
 
What was that you said about reading?
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imidazol97 isn't wrong... by joe97
Feb 21, 2008 (6:24 am)
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The current Camry and Avalon rides on an updated platform. It is not considered new, despite some reports claim otherwise.
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Press Request by KarenS HOST
Feb 21, 2008 (6:28 am)
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Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 21, 2008 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 21, 2008 11:22 am)

Since you are accusing me of saying the RWD Impala can't be based on the CTS "platform" then please provide evidences. Last I checked I don't have to provide evidence if the prosecutor thinks that I am guilty, it's the accuser's responsibility to provide the evidence. So either show me or shut up.
 
Once again, I've said that the RWD Impala can share platform with the CTS but it can't be based on CTS or CTS platform because it is just too small. The reality is, the CTS platform is too small for a RWD Impala but both can share the Sigma platform. A CTS platform is dedicated for CTS, SRX platform is dedicated for SRX and STS platform is dedicated for STS but all 3 use the Sigma platform architecture. Do you understand now or not?
 
So...based on your own words, they couldn't share platforms based on what I orginally said about the FUTURE RWD Impala being based on the CURRENT CTS platform.
 
Where did I say they couldn't share platforms? Again, evidences please. I want to see the exact statement which I said that the RWD Impala and CTS couldn't share platforms. If you can't provide those then what you are doing is to put YOUR words in my mouth.
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Re: 2009 maxima [imidazol97] by captain2
Feb 21, 2008 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Feb 21, 2008 8:37 am)

I need to get you to start reading some governmental garbage if you are going to believe everything you read and/or intrepret it as you see fit. I would like you or anybody else to tell me exactly what parts or pieces of a 2004/2005 Camry are shared with the 2005+ Avalon - let's see now we all know the 2GR is not related in any way shape or form to the old 3.0/3.3s because it was an extensive rework of the 4.0 truck engine, we know that both the wheelbase and width changed so therefore the chassis isn't the same, we know further that suspension components like brakes, shocks, springs etc. are not shared with the older Camry (check the part numbers), we certainly know that none of the sheet metal and or interior/exterior fitiments are the same. HAVE I COVERED ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO ANY VEHICLE YET? Maybe the power window switches, or the little chrome Toyoyta emblem or things really important like that are shared. How about the 12 VDC power outlets? - that must be it, I guess. BUT, come to think of it, the 5 speed auto that was used in the V6 equipped 04 Camrys might have been modified for the 2GR, although I kinda suspect that may also not be the case - because of the higher HP and torque of the 2GR.
I stand by my comment. And yes the 07 Camry is instead a shortened 05+ Avalon, quite the opposite what it used to be and they do share some components
, mainly in the powertrain. This is largely semantics, but if you are going to tell me that the 05+ Avalon is 'based' on ANYTHING else, then it should and would have at least some parts commonality with whatever that was - which it didn't at the time.
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Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 21, 2008 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 21, 2008 11:49 am)

You're right...you didn't say the CTS platform was too small before, however...you JUST said it in your most recent post. However, I do apologize for saying you said it previously...it was El Captain that intially said it.
 
Once again, I've said that the RWD Impala can share platform with the CTS but it can't be based on CTS or CTS platform because it is just too small.
 
I'm not arguing that certain platforms may be dedicated to certain models. However...why can't GM re-work a CTS platform to work with an Impala??? Or is that what you're saying by saying that the various Caddies are based on the similar architecture? Either way...based or shared, is essentially the same thing. In order for it to be based on, it must share something in common, right?
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Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 21, 2008 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 21, 2008 12:17 pm)

The platform dedicate for CTS will be too small for a RWD Impala, period.
 
Sure GM can re-work a CTS platform to fit a RWD Impala but that doesn't mean the Impala is based on CTS, it just meant that the two are platform mates.
 
ES is "based on" Camry
G8 is "based on" commodore
Sierra is "based on" Silverado
 
Is the Azera based on Sonata since it is built on a stretched Sonata platform? If your answer is yes then I rest my case because that just means your definition for "based on" is different than mine.
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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by imidazol97
Feb 21, 2008 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 21, 2008 6:52 am)

You might want to read through the 4 pages of the PR piece by the Toyota person in the promo story. He pretty well lists the parts that were changed or modified from the previous Camry chassis.
 
I only scanned your post because of your tone. Do some research. I'll skip your posts unless they are other than contentious.
 
Back to discussing full-sized cars.
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Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 21, 2008 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 21, 2008 12:24 pm)

Okay...now we have an arguement. If it starts out as a CTS platform and it's reworked to fit the Impala...then it IS based on a CTS platform.
 
As stated, the Azera rests on a stretched version of the Sonata platform, since it started out as a Sonata platform and they stretched it to accomodate the Azera...yeah, the Azera is based on a Sonata platform.
 
So, I guess...it just boils down to a definition.
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Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33] by captain2
Feb 21, 2008 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 21, 2008 12:17 pm)

no I said the car was too small -RWD configurations tend to be less space efficient than FWD ones. Based on wheelbase, vehicle length, or width the CTS fits the definition of a 'large car'. When you actually sit in the thing however or more precisely 'sentence' some real full-sized adults to the back seat for example, then you understand why the CTS is too small. The STS, OTH, something a bit different. I haven't seen interior specs. for the Genesis yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is a 'smaller' car than the Azera. FWD does have some advantages and 'packaging' is usually one of them.
BTW that would now be TWO things we've agreed on this week
 
  In order for it to be based on, it must share something in common, right?

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