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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5282 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [imidazol97]
Feb 20, 2008 (4:48 pm)
"Toyota says that the all-new Avalon is the most-American vehicle they've produced to date, a claim that's difficult to dispute, as the car was styled in California, engineered in Michigan, and will be built in Kentucky. Speeding from final approval to production in a mere eighteen months, the Avalon boasts more power and an improved interior"
This is from Automobile mag. I read the article you mentioned above, it is probably the only article that I have ever read saying the 05+ Av is based on the previous Camry. So either an Edmund's.com reporter is wrong (I've noticed errors before in some of the reviews) or every other site/mag has a different meaning of "all new". Anyway, even if it is the same it must be highly modified as the suspension parts are all completely different and the wheelbase is at least 3" or 4" greater.
#5283 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [tjc78]
Feb 21, 2008 (1:23 am)
imidazo for years now has been stuck on one review from a female reviewer that obviously didn't know she was talking about and was only restating what she knew to be true in previous versions of the Avalon. Maybe we could encourage a little research or just let the poor man wallow in his own ignorance. We have been through this before. No matter in any case, I think you and I both know what the Avalon is (and isn't)
#5284 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [captain2]
Feb 21, 2008 (8:37 am)
>now has been stuck on one review from a female reviewer that obviously didn't know she was talking
I dont' know why you think a female reviewer obviously didn't know (what) she was talking about
link title"The next-generation of Toyota's premier sedan is scheduled to appear in 2005. The Camry's older, more genteel sibling will feature an updated profile based on a Camry platform. Expected to be larger and longer than its predecessor, the new Avalon will also feature a more spacious interior. Powertrain will be a 3.5-liter V-6, which is basically a beefed-up version of the Camry's current engine. This V-6, which will probably be mated to a five-speed automatic, should be capable of at least 270-horsepower."
This next article is by two men, one of whom is an engineeer for Toyota. Would he know how the car was built?
Automotive Industries, March, 2005 by John Peter
Shigeki Terashi, executive chief engineer, Toyota Technical Center (TTC), is standing beside the new Toyota Avalon, arms outstretched with his fingers pointed, like he's describing the size of the fish that got away. He's using his hands to section off the redesigned and re-engineered 2005 Avalon, showing where new technology has been added to the existing Camry platform to create the Avalon.
"He points out that from the firewall forward, the Avalon is "all new"--from the firewall to the B-Pillar, "Camry"--from the B-Pillar to the bulkhead, "all new"--from the bulkhead back, "Camry."
The Avalon also shares the Camry's shock towers and rear suspension as well as many of the underbody frame components.
"Though the current Camry platform served as the basis for the Avalon, Toyota says that the entire platform has been reworked to accommodate the longer, wider Avalon (1 in. taller, 1.5 in. wider and 5 in. longer than the current Camry.)
"The engine bay has been redesigned to accept the new V-6 engine and transmission and the rear seat area was stretched (four of the five extra inches), to create the longer wheelbase and flat, tunnel-less floor allowing for comfortable three-across seating. The rear end has extensively redesigned crumple zones and has also been modified to accept dual exhaust, a first for a Toyota sedan.
"The body uses more high-strength steel in the underbody areas and shock towers to improve safety while saving weight. The added steel also increases torsional stiffness. The rear doors have dual side-impact beams and three-stage door check rods that increase the door opening angles to nearly 90 percent.
"It's not surprising that the Avalon shares so much with Camry, as it will share the same Georgetown, Kentucky, assembly line along with the Solara. Terashi says that the next-generation Camry will use a shortened version of this platform and the new 3.5L V-6, most likely with reduced horsepower.
"Safety and Handling
The Avalon shares its suspension with Camry."
Oh, did I mention the title is Camry extra large: Toyota's "Most American" sedan finds its rightful place at the head of the family table.
Soooo, BEFORE you start suggesting someone is a "POOR MAN WALLOW IN HIS OWN IGNORANCE"...
If I understand the quote (ignorant as I am) the Avalon was based on the then current Camry chassis and some changes for Avalon found their way into the Current Camry chassis as a shortened version that's "all new" also.
Please feel free to email me with further comments, but do a little research first before you ridicule female reviewers and posters on a personal basis. I enjoy reading female reviews in our Dayton Daily News because she's less into the testosterone-challeged mindset of horsepower and size, and talks more about the cars. She works with David Mikesell of Indianapolis review fame; sometimes they both talk about the car.
#5285 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [imidazol97]
Feb 21, 2008 (4:04 am)
Personally I think you were so narrow-minded on trying to prove the Avalon is using the previous-gen Camry platform you missed the most important piece of information:
Though the current Camry platform served as the basis for the Avalon, Toyota says that the entire platform has been reworked to accommodate the longer, wider Avalon (1 in. taller, 1.5 in. wider and 5 in. longer than the current Camry.)
Oh, by the way, do you know that the current Camry is riding on a modified platform from the previous gen as well? It's typical Toyota to use one platform for 2 generation of cars, you can bet on that the next gen Camry would sport a brand new platform.
#5286 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei]
Feb 21, 2008 (4:06 am)
>the entire platform has been reworked to accommodate the longer, wider Avalon
That means they changed the skin and attachment points.
#5287 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [imidazol97]
Feb 21, 2008 (9:11 am)
"Powertrain will be a 3.5-liter V-6, which is basically a beefed-up version of the Camry's current engine"
There is just so much bad info out there.... the 2GR V6 is not a "beefed up" 3.0/3.3 engine at all. Not even close, its a varient of the 4.0 L V6 used in the Four Runner.
#5288 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei]
Feb 21, 2008 (9:14 am)
Louis...one who lives in glass house should not throw stones.
His point is actually quite valid. You see...you jumped on me for saying that the Impala simply couldn't "share" a platform with the CTS because the CTS was "too small" in your words. Platforms can be modified for other vehicles, even if they are bigger than the vehicle it started under.
However...the statement I made wasn't really a statement, it was merely and expressed thought about one possible option. Someone else brought up the fact that the Impala could be based on the same platform that the G8 is on...which is also a possibility. I never said the Impala WOULD share (or be based on) the CTS platform, I simply said it could be. The reality is...it very well could be and that's the point that Imidazol97 made by pointing out the Avalon using a re-worked Camry platform.
#5289 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33]
Feb 21, 2008 (10:03 am)
Allmet33, you need to re-read my previous posts. I never said that RWD Impala couldn't share platform with the CTS, what I said is that it wouldn't be "based" on the CTS like the ES is "based" on Camry. If the IS can share platform with the GS, G35 can share platform with M35/45 and Camry can share platform with the Avalon then why can't a RWD Impala share platform with a CTS.
Looks like someone needs to catchup on his reading skills...
Usually I don't throw stones while in a glass house, it's always some dang annoying kids who throws stones at my glass house.
#5290 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei]
Feb 21, 2008 (10:13 am)
Okay...why can't it be "based" on the CTS platform? Why is it an impossibility?
You said that the CTS was too small for the Impala to be based on it's platform. Why, oh why great and wonderful Louis...can you PLEASE explain why the future Impala (if it were to go RWD) can't be based on the current CTS platform???
#5291 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33]
Feb 21, 2008 (10:44 am)
Okay, go back and re-re-read my previous posts, did I say...
1. The RWD Impala can't be based on the CTS platform
2. The RWD Impala can't be based on the CTS but can share platform
Was it option 1 or option 2? Seriously, please stop putting words in my mouth.
The "CTS platform" is only one version of GM's Sigma platform, current vehicles based on this platforms are: STS, SRX and CTS. So since the Impala is a fullsize sedan it can't be based on the "CTS platform" but can share the Sigma platform with the CTS.
Is it clear for you now?