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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33] by cobrazera
Feb 20, 2008 (3:26 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 19, 2008 8:36 am)

Torque steer that is a problem would be the kind that even with your hands on the wheel, it jerks hard to the side when you stomp on the gas.
My Azera does just that, it's not uncontrollable, but one better be paying attention. The worst situation occurs when pulling out to pass at 35-45 MPH - when the downshifts are complete, the car pulls hard to the right toward the vehicle being passed. Our roads around here are terrible, with deep truck grooves on rural two lanes, and maybe that added to the problem, but nonetheless, it is disconcerting.
I've driven hi -perf RWD cars since before you were born and can handle it, but drivers unfamiliar with that kind of power coupled with FWD could be unpleasantly surprised ( like my wife ).
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Re: 2009 maxima [captain2] by cobrazera
Feb 20, 2008 (3:36 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 19, 2008 9:11 am)

I read somewhere that the replacement Impala, 2010 or 2011, will be RWD. It will reportedly based on a worldwide RWD platform. With the new Malibu being what appears to be a very good offering in the FWD mid/large car segment, the FWD Impala begins to be somewhat redundant.
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Re: AWD 4 Hyundai??? [keitha3] by cobrazera
Feb 20, 2008 (3:44 am)
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Replying to: keitha3 (Feb 19, 2008 2:58 pm)

It'll need more than one reverse gear, but it's refreshing to finally read an intelligent post.
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Re: 2009 maxima [cobrazera] by tjc78
Feb 20, 2008 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Feb 20, 2008 3:36 am)

"the FWD Impala begins to be somewhat redundant. "
 
Why? Nissan has FWD Max/Alt and Toyota has FWD Av/Cam they seem to be doing just fine. I think the FWD Impala may even stay around a little while after a RWD model is introduced because of its fleet sales.
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Re: AWD 4 Hyundai??? [kdshapiro] by allmet33
Feb 20, 2008 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 19, 2008 3:11 pm)

Kdshapiro...you are right in the respect that AWD and good all season tires can truly be of great assistance during bad weather. However...we are talking about those drivers that get that false sense of security and drive their AWD equipped vehicles in bad weather as if they were driving on dry roads.
 
I've seen a great deal of AWD and 4WD vehicles in ditches simply because those drivers are bit over-confident. Ice is not prejudice and if all 4 wheels should end up on ice at the same time...AWD nor traction control will help you. Same thing with hydroplaning...if all 4 tires are hydroplaning...well, again...AWD nor 4WD would matter.
 
For those that drive armed with patience and common sense...you're right, they can make short work of any snowy, icy or rainy condition in an AWD equipped vehicle.
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Re: 2009 maxima [cobrazera] by allmet33
Feb 20, 2008 (5:25 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Feb 20, 2008 3:36 am)

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Impala would be sharing the current Cadillac CTS platform.
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Re: 2009 maxima [cobrazera] by allmet33
Feb 20, 2008 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Feb 20, 2008 3:26 am)

You know...it may not be the torque steer moving your car, it could be roads. I've down shifted and passed cars a many speeds and never had an issue with the car pulling to either side.
 
Just for giggles, I took louiswei's challenge and took my hands off the wheel (wheels pointed straight) and stomped on the gas. Funny thing happened...my car pulled straight ahead and my steering wheel didn't turn one way or the other. Next time, I'll record it on video to prove it. I had to do it a few times just to make sure it wasn't a fluke or something.
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Re: AWD 4 Hyundai??? [allmet33] by kdshapiro
Feb 20, 2008 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 20, 2008 5:23 am)

In general I notice all types of cars banged up: in dividers, on curbs, into one another. Two different notable crashes in the last winter were a Honda Accord and Sonota. Both ended up in places I could not imagine how they got there. AWD they didn't have and it wouldn't have likely helped them due to icy conditions. People who drive without a care in the world in extremely bad weather, are extremely bad drivers. They would rack up any vehicle.
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Re: 2009 maxima [cobrazera] by captain2
Feb 20, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Feb 20, 2008 3:36 am)

I read somewhere that the replacement Impala, 2010 or 2011, will be RWD
also read the same thing - when the car becomes available FWIU is largely dependent on plant capacity down under. The G8 is being built there already but they are projecting enough demand that there apparently will be a limited no. of G8s shipped over here. The Impala would obviously figure to sell more cars and I guess the question really boils down to how GM will be able to produce them given that they don't have a whole bunch of money to be out building new or converting older plants.
I agree on the redundancy of the current Impala, although it is plenty big in exterior dimension it is not very space efficient interior wise. If it is a Chevy you want, then the Malibu with the more competitive 3.6HF V6 seems like a better choice. The Taurus and Avalon have interiors that blow it away space wise, as I believe a few of the newer 'midsize' entrants do as well.
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Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33] by captain2
Feb 20, 2008 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 20, 2008 5:25 am)

CTS is too small for anything called an Impala, STS maybe, but I would find it difficult to believe that GM would allow Chevy to share much with Cadillac. Think the new Impala will essentially be a Pontiac G8 from Australia

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