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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5231 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33]
Feb 19, 2008 (10:02 am)
That's where you were mistaken. Not everyone wants a larger sedan, why the midsize sedan segment is bigger than the large sedan segment is because to many people, Camcordimas are just about the right size for their family hauling needs without being too oversized like cars in this group. By moving Accord upmarket that means the price has to increase as well. You know honest think when Accords are starting out at $26k and topping out at $36k it'll retain the current sales figure?
What does the Avalon have to do with this? Because if Accord is moving upmarket its main competitor will the be Avalon. Do you think if that's the case Accord will be able to out-sell Avalon 3 to 1?
Is the Impala SS a touring sedan? Will Nissan makes the next Maxima a touring sedan? Like I said, Nissan will not be able to out-Toyota Toyota so the Maxima is bound to be a failure if they are going to make it an Avalon wannabe. The only way the Maxima can be a success is to make it the sporty king of the segment, with that the FWD is just not going to work (I remember this is how we get into the 300hp+ FWD discussion).
So again, looks like it's someone else who has been proven wrong (as usual)...
#5232 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei]
Feb 19, 2008 (10:14 am)
Well...to a degree you're right, but also...wrong. There is a segment of folks that would buy a Honda if they offered a larger car. Those folks would be the ones with families and those that don't wanna buy an Odyssey. So...by moving the Accord up they can tap into sales that they are missing.
As far as the mid-size segment...moving the Civic up to that would take care of that as well. The Accord would hold it's own against the Avalon, simply by it's solid following.
I would tout the Impala SS as a touring sedan more so than a sports sedan...that's MY opinion.
How am I proven wrong when a 300+ hp FWD vehicle exists???
#5233 of 6854 AWD 4 Hyundai???
Feb 19, 2008 (10:23 am)
Looks like Genesis, Azera and possibly the Sonata might benefit. I certainly see the biggest benefit would be to the Genesis. A RWD based AWD system would prove pretty nice and put it up there with the GS in terms of handling capabilities in incliment weather.
Hyundai & Kia Planning AWD cars
#5234 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33]
Feb 19, 2008 (10:25 am)
How large is that segment? 1000 people a month? Trust me, now a days if people really want a dedicated people hauler they'll go with a crossover or minivan and Honda happened to have both of the segments covered well with the Pilot and Odyssey. The family sedan segment currently is the hottest for a reason, cars in that groups offer enough space, good power (V6s), decent fuel economy (I4s) without being too oversized and break the bank.
Again, you haven't answer my question. Do you honestly think Accord will retain it's current sales figure when it goes from $26k to $36k?
If Honda moves the Civic upmarket then who's going to fill the compact sedan segment (the next hottest thing). Fit you say, okay, then who's going to fill the sub-compact segment (the fast growing segment)? So either way Honda will need a new model, if that's the case why not leave everyone in their comfort zone and if Honda really wants a large sedan (which I doubt it) then they can add a model at the top.
You are proven wrong that a FWD 300hp+ Maxima is not a good idea (which is the origin of this whole discussion).
#5235 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [louiswei]
Feb 19, 2008 (10:30 am)
Not true...I'll take a large sedan over a mini-van, cross over or SUV.
With all the cars that Honda has...they can make it work...trust me.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...how am I proven wrong about a 300+ hp Max? Does one exist? Has one been tried? Have you driven one to know? Oh...didn't think so. NEXT!!!
#5236 of 6854 Re: 2009 maxima [allmet33]
Feb 19, 2008 (10:45 am)
"There is a segment of folks that would buy a Honda if they offered a larger car"
Add me to that list, I have always wanted Honda to offer a competitor to the Avalon.
P.S. been away on business and enjoyed catching up on this board. You guys have been busy. I was driving a Chevy Impala as a rental..... let's just say I was happy to get back into my Av
#5237 of 6854 Re: AWD 4 Hyundai??? [allmet33]
Feb 19, 2008 (10:51 am)
Opinion - given the fact that we have a generation of drivers that have not had any (or limited) exposure to RWD, and the mfgrs.( at 300hp or more) are invariably going to have to make a switch to RWD layouts:
RWD profits the most from AWD mods and 'safety' systems such as traction control and/or stability control are more valuable to RWD layouts than FWD. In my mind, it will be interesting to see if the 'average' driver can make the switch.
#5238 of 6854 Re: AWD 4 Hyundai??? [captain2]
Feb 19, 2008 (11:18 am)
Captain...you actually have an opinion I would greatly agree with. Which is why...a lot of manufacturers are coming up with AWD offerings.
Just like AWD benefitted the Lexus GS line, I think it would also bolster the Genesis as well.
Even though we were exposed to RWD, the cars we drove then didn't have the power of today's offerings. While we would have experience on our side, I think we would have some issues just with the power side of things.
A buddy of mine, who was interested in the Genesis, had the opportunity of renting a 300 while his Azera was in the shop being painted. He had the opportunity to drive the 300 on slushy covered roads and had a few experiences that left him leery of a RWD vehicle at this point.
#5239 of 6854 Re: Big brother...meets lil brother [allmet33]
Feb 19, 2008 (11:30 am)
What a shame - the Sonata was the best looking car Hyndai had. The Bulbous Azera and Elantra don't appeal to me at all - and now Hyundai's Buicked this one up, unfortunately. It is amazing how such small changes can take my opinion of the car's styling and make my opinion change 180 degrees.
#5240 of 6854 Re: Big brother...meets lil brother [thegraduate]
Feb 19, 2008 (11:31 am)
To each their own.