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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [kdshapiro] by joe97
Feb 09, 2008 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 09, 2008 10:02 am)

Pilot, Accord as your examples again? They don't even come close to what the Genesis offers. Here is a basic list what you can find in a Genesis, not the entire list, however:
 
Power rear sunshade
XM and XM NAVTraffic
HD Radio
Electronic active head restraints
Lexicon Discrete Surround Audio Systems (17 speakers; RR Phantom is the only other to have it IIRC)
Smart cruise control (SCC)
Front & rear five-link suspension
Amplitude Selective Dampers (ASD)
Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFLS)
High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps with adaptive leveling
8 inch navigation with backup camera
30 gig hard drive
Push-button start
Electric parking brake
8 ultrasonic sensors
ESC
Eight airbags
Heated and cooled seats
Bluetooth
iPod/USB aux inputs
Automatic windshield defogger with humidity sensor
Rain-sensing wipers
6-speed transmissions (ZF & Aisin)
  
And more...plus a kick-a$$ warranty, and an amazing price tag

 
As far as the Phaeton goes, at least there was a partnership with a luxury automobile manufacturer,
 
If you are thinking of Audi, no it is not a manufacturer, but rather a division. What's this partnership you speak of?
 
A car is not a luxury car because it is not associated with a luxury manufacturer, now there's some good laugh.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by captain2
Feb 09, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

exactly and the VW illustrates the point - certainly had all the 'doodads' (and some problems because of them) as well as the specs. - BUT it failed miserably BECAUSE VW may be a lot of things but it is NOT a luxury brand. Set depreciaton records if I recall correctly. People were not going to spend $70 large putting a VW in their driveway just like they won't spend 40 putting a Korean car there. Ask folks what they think about the similar Audi A8 though and you have a different story don't you?
The interesting brand to me is Lincoln - there is no longer anything unique in the line - just simply rebadged Ford products. Traditionally a 'luxury' brand but what is it now? Cadillac OTH seems to be doing a better job elevating themselves over the GM mayhem.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [captain2] by captain2
Feb 09, 2008 (3:20 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 09, 2008 2:27 pm)

PS and neiher were the VW dealers equipped to properly sell the Phaeton - people who are expected to spend those 'premium' dollars re also expecting ( and deserving) some 'premium' treatment. Something else not generally found at the italicized 'H".
I personally think 'Genesis' is a great name that could evolve into something not perceived as 'Korean' - why not use the name for new dealerships, after 'culling' the herd of all those Hyundai dealers that seem to think that the only way to do any business is to buy it!
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Re: What about luxury... by kdshapiro
Feb 09, 2008 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 09, 2008 1:23 pm)

So tell me sir, at exactly what line in the sand do you draw from non-luxury or luxury. Pilot has rear seat DVD entertainment, Genesis does not. Maybe Genesis is really isn't a luxury vehicle and Pilot is because of this one feature?
 
You can call it what you want. If your definition of entry luxury is association with a brand, Hyundai is not. If your definition is doodads, than that would include a whole other bunch of cars today not considered luxury,
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Changed my opinion by vic10
Feb 09, 2008 (5:32 pm)
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Yup. Genesis is most DEFINITELY a luxury car...and as such doesn't belong in this forum. So can we move on?
 
Geez, if ever there was a reason for NOT buying a Hyundai it would be to avoid being put in the same "club" as some of you....
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [captain2] [captain2] by dborth
Feb 09, 2008 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 09, 2008 3:20 pm)

re5091: I personally think 'Genesis' is a great name that could evolve into something not perceived as 'Korean' - why not use the name for new dealerships, after 'culling' the herd of all those Hyundai dealers that seem to think that the only way to do any business is to buy it!
 
You just hit the nail on the head. Maybe Hyundai needs to be reminded of Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/ Infiniti, Honda/Accura, all pretty solid playbooks. Or, maybe Korea takes exception to Japanese successes.
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Re: What about luxury... [kdshapiro] by joe97
Feb 09, 2008 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 09, 2008 5:11 pm)

So it's just black and white? So if the badge says non-luxury, then the car itself automatically falls in the non-luxury segment? Funny I see so many media calling the Genesis as a luxury sedan...
 
While luxury cars (not brand) are generally found on more prestige lines, certainly the definition of a luxury car is not limited to luxury makers.
 
"A luxury vehicle is a relatively expensive vehicle that includes additional features designed to increase the comfort of the driver and passengers. Luxury vehicles usually place more emphasis on comfort, appearance, and amenities such as technological upgrades and higher quality materials than on performance, economy, or utility."
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Re: What about luxury... [joe97] by kdshapiro
Feb 10, 2008 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 09, 2008 8:08 pm)

So it's just black and white?
 
I don't know, I'm asking you. We've already tried the Phaenton. There is no difference between that and the Genesis, except about 35K? Right.
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Re: Changed my opinion [vic10] by kdshapiro
Feb 10, 2008 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: vic10 (Feb 09, 2008 5:32 pm)

LOL. Do you mean you would hate to belong to any club that would have you as a member?
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Re: What about luxury... [kdshapiro] by joe97
Feb 10, 2008 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 10, 2008 7:25 am)

Right. Only luxury makers can have luxury cars, got it. Just like only sophisticated people can enjoy wine?

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