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Genesis Dash by prosource1
Feb 08, 2008 (7:47 pm)
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'Doesn't look like the Genesis will have real woodtrim by reading this. '
 
The Genesis has real wood on the center stack, wheel, gear shift and on the switch gear on the doors. It's pretty clear that the use of the word 'accents' by Krafcik meant that the entire dash and upper door panels, where wood is sometimes used, in this segment, would not have wood grain but stitched leather inserts which is unique and very tasteful. I would prefer the leather over wood grain as Hyundai executed this but woodgrain is expected in part in the luxury segment so Hyundai obliged in places
 
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-hyundai-genesis-sedan/566576/
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What about MPG?[captain2] by rhduke00
Feb 09, 2008 (4:37 am)
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The Genesis, as a 'Hyundai' can never be a luxury car simply because the brand is not perceived that way. The car could have every doodad known to mankind, this won't change what it is and must be.
 
Captain, Louis, Kd,
 
Is the Volkswagen Phaeton a luxury car?
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by jlindh
Feb 09, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

Touche.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by carolinabob
Feb 09, 2008 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 2:30 pm)

Now I remember why I quit going to this site.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by vic10
Feb 09, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

Didn't the buying public give a resounding NO to that question??
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [vic10] by thegraduate
Feb 09, 2008 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: vic10 (Feb 09, 2008 8:54 am)

Yep, sales were spectacularly low, and the Phaeton is now a special-order-only car.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [vic10] by joe97
Feb 09, 2008 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: vic10 (Feb 09, 2008 8:54 am)

That's a whole different issue. Sales volume has nothing to do with whether or not a car is considered luxury or not. Acura RL & Lexus GS460/450h, for example, sell next to nothing, they are still luxury cars, are they not?
 
We are classifying where a car belongs. While Hyundai Genesis is likely to compete with the 30K range competitors, for the most part, it very much qualifies as a luxury car. Hyundai has pointed this out too, and in not so much words as their press releases - just because a car is expected to compete with some models under mainstream nameplates, it doesn't equate as a non-luxury car.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by kdshapiro
Feb 09, 2008 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

That is the point isn't it. At what point is a car considered luxury. If the Genesis is considered a luxury car, then so is the Pilot and Accord. Both of them offer varying degrees of luxury features.
 
As far as the Phaeton goes, at least there was a partnership with a luxury automobile manufacturer, can't say the same about Hyundai. So no in my book the Genesis is not a luxury automobile.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [kdshapiro] by joe97
Feb 09, 2008 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 09, 2008 10:02 am)

Pilot, Accord as your examples again? They don't even come close to what the Genesis offers. Here is a basic list what you can find in a Genesis, not the entire list, however:
 
Power rear sunshade
XM and XM NAVTraffic
HD Radio
Electronic active head restraints
Lexicon Discrete Surround Audio Systems (17 speakers; RR Phantom is the only other to have it IIRC)
Smart cruise control (SCC)
Front & rear five-link suspension
Amplitude Selective Dampers (ASD)
Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFLS)
High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps with adaptive leveling
8 inch navigation with backup camera
30 gig hard drive
Push-button start
Electric parking brake
8 ultrasonic sensors
ESC
Eight airbags
Heated and cooled seats
Bluetooth
iPod/USB aux inputs
Automatic windshield defogger with humidity sensor
Rain-sensing wipers
6-speed transmissions (ZF & Aisin)
  
And more...plus a kick-a$$ warranty, and an amazing price tag

 
As far as the Phaeton goes, at least there was a partnership with a luxury automobile manufacturer,
 
If you are thinking of Audi, no it is not a manufacturer, but rather a division. What's this partnership you speak of?
 
A car is not a luxury car because it is not associated with a luxury manufacturer, now there's some good laugh.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by captain2
Feb 09, 2008 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

exactly and the VW illustrates the point - certainly had all the 'doodads' (and some problems because of them) as well as the specs. - BUT it failed miserably BECAUSE VW may be a lot of things but it is NOT a luxury brand. Set depreciaton records if I recall correctly. People were not going to spend $70 large putting a VW in their driveway just like they won't spend 40 putting a Korean car there. Ask folks what they think about the similar Audi A8 though and you have a different story don't you?
The interesting brand to me is Lincoln - there is no longer anything unique in the line - just simply rebadged Ford products. Traditionally a 'luxury' brand but what is it now? Cadillac OTH seems to be doing a better job elevating themselves over the GM mayhem.

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