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Definition please by imidazol97
Feb 08, 2008 (5:57 pm)
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Someone said the definition of entry level luxury is that it HAS to come from certain "luxury" brands. I don't believe that. I checked the internet and found Wikipedia's reference. And give it here.
 
I checked the internet for definition of "entry level luxury car" and found this:
 
[edit] Entry-level luxury
  
The Mercedes-Benz C-Class is an entry-level luxury sedan.The entry-level luxury forms the beginning classification of the luxury vehicles; competition in this segment is typically fierce. It features vehicles with an MSRP approximately between $26,000 and $36,000 (though with options, particularly on the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, they can creep well into the $40,000 to $60,000 range), a relatively high degree of comfort is manufactured by luxury brand. If the vehicle is manufactured by a non-luxury marque its base MSRP should exceed approximately $36k and it must place an emphasis on comfort. The equivalent classification in Britain is compact executive car.
 
This segment mostly includes the bottom vehicles in the line-up of luxury brands as well as the top-of-the-line models of some non-luxury brands. Vehicles in this segment include the Acura TSX, Acura TL, Alfa Romeo 159, Buick Lucerne, BMW 3 Series, Cadillac CTS, Chrysler 300, Mercury Grand Marquis, Lexus IS, Lexus ES, Audi A4, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Infiniti G35, Lincoln MKZ,Volvo S60, Volvo S40, Volvo V50, Saab 9-3, and the Jaguar X-Type.
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by alexstore
Feb 08, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 12:31 pm)

only elite edition had it and it also had only 4 seats
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Genesis Dash by prosource1
Feb 08, 2008 (6:47 pm)
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'Doesn't look like the Genesis will have real woodtrim by reading this. '
 
The Genesis has real wood on the center stack, wheel, gear shift and on the switch gear on the doors. It's pretty clear that the use of the word 'accents' by Krafcik meant that the entire dash and upper door panels, where wood is sometimes used, in this segment, would not have wood grain but stitched leather inserts which is unique and very tasteful. I would prefer the leather over wood grain as Hyundai executed this but woodgrain is expected in part in the luxury segment so Hyundai obliged in places
 
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-hyundai-genesis-sedan/566576/
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What about MPG?[captain2] by rhduke00
Feb 09, 2008 (3:37 am)
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The Genesis, as a 'Hyundai' can never be a luxury car simply because the brand is not perceived that way. The car could have every doodad known to mankind, this won't change what it is and must be.
 
Captain, Louis, Kd,
 
Is the Volkswagen Phaeton a luxury car?
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by jlindh
Feb 09, 2008 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

Touche.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by carolinabob
Feb 09, 2008 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 2:30 pm)

Now I remember why I quit going to this site.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by vic10
Feb 09, 2008 (8:54 am)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

Didn't the buying public give a resounding NO to that question??
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [vic10] by thegraduate
Feb 09, 2008 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: vic10 (Feb 09, 2008 8:54 am)

Yep, sales were spectacularly low, and the Phaeton is now a special-order-only car.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] [vic10] by joe97
Feb 09, 2008 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: vic10 (Feb 09, 2008 8:54 am)

That's a whole different issue. Sales volume has nothing to do with whether or not a car is considered luxury or not. Acura RL & Lexus GS460/450h, for example, sell next to nothing, they are still luxury cars, are they not?
 
We are classifying where a car belongs. While Hyundai Genesis is likely to compete with the 30K range competitors, for the most part, it very much qualifies as a luxury car. Hyundai has pointed this out too, and in not so much words as their press releases - just because a car is expected to compete with some models under mainstream nameplates, it doesn't equate as a non-luxury car.
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Re: What about MPG?[captain2] [rhduke00] by kdshapiro
Feb 09, 2008 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: rhduke00 (Feb 09, 2008 3:37 am)

That is the point isn't it. At what point is a car considered luxury. If the Genesis is considered a luxury car, then so is the Pilot and Accord. Both of them offer varying degrees of luxury features.
 
As far as the Phaeton goes, at least there was a partnership with a luxury automobile manufacturer, can't say the same about Hyundai. So no in my book the Genesis is not a luxury automobile.

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