Edmunds.com | Inside Line | Auto Observer Your Account | Help | Directory
You are here:
![[F]](http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/site.gif){kind=small}
Forums
Sedans Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison
6844 messages, Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
|
Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 1:29 pm) Now you understand why I was pushing for Hyundai to establish a separate luxury brand with the Genesis? As for gadgets, trust me, a true luxury car doesn't make or break with it. Forgive me to say this but a blue-collar kind of luxury (your definition for Genesis) will never be the mainstream luxury (where the big boys play). The Genesis will no doubt be a worthwhile flagship for Hyundai and an excellent car for its price but it is still not a luxury car. |
|
|
Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 08, 2008 1:46 pm) The Azera gives one a tiny taste of luxury and the Genesis is supposed to be head & shoulders above it. We shall see come the latter part of this year. |
|
|
Replying to: jaymagic (Feb 08, 2008 8:32 am) whatever the h--- that is - another award bought and paid for by whoever is willing to 'pay' to use the 'title'. JDP is the same way - money changes hands so it must be taken with a grain of salt. Ever notice that the mfgrs. that tend to 'win' these 'awards' are the ones that need it the most - amazing! All this said, I have no issue with it, the Azera is underpriced and is obviously underappreciated judging by its sales volume and by its resale values. . |
|
|
|
|
Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 1:22 pm) Luxury car is defined by what it offers, not by the badge on the front of the car. Also, if the Genesis is offered as a separate make or car line, then that will artificially inflate the price of the car. Remember, we are talking about entry level "luxury" cars. The big question is will Hyundai support it, will it do what they say it will, will it be problem free? |
|
|
Replying to: carolinabob (Feb 08, 2008 2:21 pm) You may need to interact with the real world once a while... Entry level luxury cars by the industry definition means the entry models from the luxury brands (BMW, MB, Lexus, Audi...). Genesis by no means is a entry level luxury cars. It is a near luxury car which includes cars from mainstream brands that include most of the luxury features and gadgets that can be found on the luxury cars. I didn't make this up, do some research then you'll get what I am talking about. Duke basketball team might be good enough to beat Atlanta Hawks but that doesn't mean it is a professional basketball team.
|
|
|
Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 2:30 pm)
|
|
|
Replying to: carolinabob (Feb 08, 2008 2:21 pm) By that definition, to use an example, a Honda Pilot or Accord could be luxury vehicles.
|
|
|
Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 2:46 pm) That's why I was pushing for a separate luxury brand from Hyundai. Genesis, the car itself, might be a worthy competitor to the 5er/E/GS but as long as it is carrying the Hyundai emblem it will never be in the same league. By the way, does Genesis have real wood trim? |
|
|
Replying to: carolinabob (Feb 08, 2008 2:21 pm) "While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Chrysler 300 and Pontiac G8, our engineering benchmarks were Mercedes E-Class, Infiniti M, and Lexus GS," said John Krafcik, vice president, product development and strategic planning, Hyundai Motor America. "Genesis provides a potent combination of performance, luxury, and value. We think it has the opportunity to be an extremely disruptive force in the large sedan and near-luxury segments." As for the woodtrim here's what was in the press release: Standard is a soft-touch instrument panel with woodgrain accents, Bluetooth® hands-free mobile phone interface, and USB/iPod® auxiliary inputs. Doesn't look like the Genesis will have real woodtrim by reading this. Source: Autoblog |
|
|
Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 9:16 am) "“The customer can perceive exceptional value in vehicles that are more expensive. They get what they want in terms of quality, product characteristics and features, innovation and image,” states Dr. Edwards. Value leader MINI Cooper leads its segment for the sixth year. Other winners were the Volvo V50 and Mercedes ML. “Value isn’t simply the cheap alternative, the choice with the largest incentive, or the option with the biggest warranty. Value begins with the promises inherently made by the brand name, is then supported by the economic implications of purchase, and is ultimately defined by and ends with the product quality cues,” Alexander Edwards concluded. “With so many high quality choices today and new choices coming (perhaps) from places like China in the future, understanding how brand equity combined with the right product will be the keys to success in tomorrow’s market.” As for how "independent" they are, maybe the captain is right. The report notes that Toyota Motor leads with 20 vehicles. They must have really paid a lot of money. Hyundai only had two -- Azera and Santa Fe. Avalon is one of the 20, just not enough value to beat out the Azera. |
|
You are here:
Forums
Sedans Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison
New? Join Now!
Forum Tools
Search Forums
Browse by Vehicle
2010 Buick Lucerne
2010 Chevrolet Impala
2011 Dodge Charger
2010 Ford Taurus
2010 Hyundai Azera
2010 Toyota Avalon
2010 Nissan Maxima
2009 Pontiac G8
Browse by Board
Browse by Topic
