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Re: What about MPG? [joe97] by louiswei
Feb 08, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 08, 2008 10:11 am)

Yes it will.
 
And if gadgets/$ is what floats your boat then Genesis should be a great option.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by alexstore
Feb 08, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 9:16 am)

though I am a Maxima Owner, I agree with you 100%. Avalon is the winner hands down. Folding seats should have been an option
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by captain2
Feb 08, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 10:15 am)

And if gadgets/$ is what floats your boat then Genesis should be a great option.
'gadgets' (even though people seem to want them) - would be the last thing I would do if I were Hyundai - trying to shed this 'Korean' car image. The more complicated the Genesis is with needless gimcracks the less reliable it will logically be. Believe the Germans (among others), technology is a double edge sword. So, therefore, manufacture a simple, straight forward and well-built car and then maybe more people will change their attitudes, and sooner or later some other brand can become the butt of all those car jokes.
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Re: What about MPG? [alexstore] by captain2
Feb 08, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: alexstore (Feb 08, 2008 12:19 pm)

alexstore-
I seem to remember the 05 Max I looked at had reclining rear seats - like the Avalon I ended up in - the seats are/were an option?
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by allmet33
Feb 08, 2008 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 12:19 pm)

So...what would YOU not put in the Genesis? Be careful, you take too much out and then it no longer qualifies for the entry level luxury segment.
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 08, 2008 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 12:57 pm)

First of all, the Genesis is not in the entry luxury segment. That segment belongs to cars like A4, 3er, C-class, IS, G35, TL, CTS and maybe (a big maybe) 9-3, S60 and MKZ.
 
I think Genesis is fine with its gadget contents, as long as Hyundai makes sure that there won't be major hiccups along the way. In order to be successful, this car needs a record like the original LS400: spotless.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 08, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 1:22 pm)

LOL Okay...so what segment do YOU think the Genesis will fall in? I guess it would qualify for luxury, huh? Considering it's shooting at the 5-Series and E-Class, right?
 
SAAB HARDLY falls into the luxury category as they are geared more towards sport. If any of them qualify, it would be the 9-7 and MAYBE the 9-5.
 
Well...at least with the gadgets...they went with quality. Lexicon (Harmon Kardon...same company that makes Infinity) and the transmissions being used are either by ZF or Aisin (depending on which model you get). I know the in-dash screen in the '08 Azera is by LG, so I would imagine the same would be true for the Genesis.
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by kdshapiro
Feb 08, 2008 (1:46 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 1:29 pm)

Considering it's shooting at the 5-Series and E-Class, right?
 
Marketing is great. Hyundai could say it built the thing to take out a Testosserosa, but here on earth....
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 08, 2008 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 1:29 pm)

The Genesis will be in the same category as the Chrysler 300, whatever that segment is. In order to be in the luxury segment the car needs to belong to a luxury brand first. Last I checked, Hyundai is still competing with Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Chevy and Ford in the mainstream market.
 
Now you understand why I was pushing for Hyundai to establish a separate luxury brand with the Genesis?
 
As for gadgets, trust me, a true luxury car doesn't make or break with it. Forgive me to say this but a blue-collar kind of luxury (your definition for Genesis) will never be the mainstream luxury (where the big boys play).
 
The Genesis will no doubt be a worthwhile flagship for Hyundai and an excellent car for its price but it is still not a luxury car.
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Re: What about MPG? [kdshapiro] by allmet33
Feb 08, 2008 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 08, 2008 1:46 pm)

Hey...I'm not the one that said it. However, I think it's going to get heavy consideration for the luxury segment after what I saw of it in person at the car show. The question really is...how does it feel sitting IN it.
 
The Azera gives one a tiny taste of luxury and the Genesis is supposed to be head & shoulders above it.
 
We shall see come the latter part of this year.

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