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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by 4bearhug
Feb 08, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 7:09 am)

I think that you might as well save your time and energy on this futile discussion that you're having. You have an Azera that you're proud of and rightfully so. You also have some Avalon owners who are equally as proud of the vehicles and don't like the idea of any car (especially a ...gasp...Korean upstart) being favorably compared to an Avalon. Everyone tends to want to justify their decision about their choice in cars. Some people even feel running down the competition is the way to do it.
 
Just so you know I have no dog in this fight, I've owned 3 Accords, an Acura RL, TL, 2 Camry, and 2 Avalon. When I bought my TL in 2006 I did a comparison of the Azera and I was very impressed. It's a fine car and I nearly bought one. The only reason that I didn't was the fact that it was a first year model, I had excellent history w/ my RL, and not having any Hyundai experience to draw from. Now two years later I am really excited to see the Genesis in person. This looks like one great car that I would be happy to own. I really like the styling of the Genesis.
 
The resale issue is a legitimate question, but the resale will come with time as more people begin to buy the vehicles and have first hand experience. The reality is that as the resale goes up, the list/selling price will go up too. The trick is to buy new right as the brand starts to trend up. I think that we may be getting close to the tipping point for Hyundai over the next several years. Enjoy your Azera.
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by allmet33
Feb 08, 2008 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 7:46 am)

Guess what...it costs me about $50 to fill up too? However...if from "E", it would cost a bit more as the Azera has a larger tank than the Avalon.
 
Once again, you fail to understand the resale value thing. That's okay, you've gotta one track mind, so I understand the problem here. The point of the whole resale thing that I was making...the Azera owner doesn't lose that much more in value when compared to the Avalon owner. Simple, cut and dry. I guess a better way to put it...the percentage of depreciation is close. So...technically, you're right...the Avalon will be worth more, however...in order to do so, it had to cost more intially. You wouldn't be saying that if both the Avalon and Azera were priced the same, and that would really be the only way you might understand what I've been trying to say all along.
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Re: What about MPG? [jaymagic] by louiswei
Feb 08, 2008 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: jaymagic (Feb 08, 2008 8:32 am)

What's value?
 
If you value "to get the most for less money" then Azera is the best value in the group.
 
On the other hand, if the value is "to have the superior (numero uno) car without paying too much premium" then Avalon will win hands down.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by kdshapiro
Feb 08, 2008 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 9:16 am)

Some people believe value is the number of gadgets/$. As an analogy, these people are not BMWs target customer. If I were buying a $100K car, I would want every gadget available.
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Re: What about MPG? [kdshapiro] by joe97
Feb 08, 2008 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 08, 2008 9:48 am)

Wouldn't Genesis then win the best value for number of gadgets/$? By a hefty margin, might I add.
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Re: What about MPG? [joe97] by louiswei
Feb 08, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 08, 2008 10:11 am)

Yes it will.
 
And if gadgets/$ is what floats your boat then Genesis should be a great option.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by alexstore
Feb 08, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 9:16 am)

though I am a Maxima Owner, I agree with you 100%. Avalon is the winner hands down. Folding seats should have been an option
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by captain2
Feb 08, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 10:15 am)

And if gadgets/$ is what floats your boat then Genesis should be a great option.
'gadgets' (even though people seem to want them) - would be the last thing I would do if I were Hyundai - trying to shed this 'Korean' car image. The more complicated the Genesis is with needless gimcracks the less reliable it will logically be. Believe the Germans (among others), technology is a double edge sword. So, therefore, manufacture a simple, straight forward and well-built car and then maybe more people will change their attitudes, and sooner or later some other brand can become the butt of all those car jokes.
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Re: What about MPG? [alexstore] by captain2
Feb 08, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: alexstore (Feb 08, 2008 12:19 pm)

alexstore-
I seem to remember the 05 Max I looked at had reclining rear seats - like the Avalon I ended up in - the seats are/were an option?
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by allmet33
Feb 08, 2008 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 12:19 pm)

So...what would YOU not put in the Genesis? Be careful, you take too much out and then it no longer qualifies for the entry level luxury segment.

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