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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 1:22 pm) not this year - power per unit volume is 76.6 HP/liter on the Toyota BASE 2GR and 69.2 hp/liter on the Azera BASE 3.8. More than a 10% difference to which you can also add another 10% or so for a FE difference. BTW I was checking the physical staTs on the Max/Avalon/Azera this morning in the CR 08 Auto Issue. Curb weights are listed as 3545/3600/3845 respectively - a 300 lb. difference relative to the Maxima. Makes some sense simply because the Nissan will outaccelerate the Azera - with LESS (rated) hp, and Hyundai has never been terribly good at buildings things light although I will grant you that the Maxima is the smaller car of the three. .
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 7:01 am) The Azera is definitely the porker of the bunch. It's not secret that Hyundai still uses more steel in building their cars as the use of aluminum would drive the cost of the cars up. So...aluminum is only used where they deem critically necessary. In this case, for it to be 300 lbs heavier than a Max and over 200 lbs heavier than the Avalon...the acceleration numbers aren't that bad. If you shaved those lbs. The Azera would defintely be a bit quicker. Hyundai could build them lighter, but then...they would probably end up costing as much as the rival Toyotas, Hondas and Nissans. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 6:45 am)  The Lambda engines are the same in the Genesis but as second generations for the 3.3 & 3.8 The Azera will get the second generation when the next facelift is due; this was the case on the 09 facelifted Sonata that is making its way to dealers. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 7:09 am) guess that depends on how you look at it - right now it costs me about at 50 bucks to fill up my Avalon - just think I could have a slower car that has less resale value (and yes it was cheaper to buy) - and it could effectively cost me $55. What a deal.
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 7:46 am) The 2007 Strategic Value Award for "Larger Cars" went to the Azera, not the Avalon. Of course, the Azera also won the 2006 award, as well. link title But to each his own, both are good cars and good values. Obviously, the captain is brand oriented, nothing wrong with that. It's his money to spend.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 08, 2008 7:09 am)  Just so you know I have no dog in this fight, I've owned 3 Accords, an Acura RL, TL, 2 Camry, and 2 Avalon. When I bought my TL in 2006 I did a comparison of the Azera and I was very impressed. It's a fine car and I nearly bought one. The only reason that I didn't was the fact that it was a first year model, I had excellent history w/ my RL, and not having any Hyundai experience to draw from. Now two years later I am really excited to see the Genesis in person. This looks like one great car that I would be happy to own. I really like the styling of the Genesis. The resale issue is a legitimate question, but the resale will come with time as more people begin to buy the vehicles and have first hand experience. The reality is that as the resale goes up, the list/selling price will go up too. The trick is to buy new right as the brand starts to trend up. I think that we may be getting close to the tipping point for Hyundai over the next several years. Enjoy your Azera. |
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 08, 2008 7:46 am) Once again, you fail to understand the resale value thing. That's okay, you've gotta one track mind, so I understand the problem here. The point of the whole resale thing that I was making...the Azera owner doesn't lose that much more in value when compared to the Avalon owner. Simple, cut and dry. I guess a better way to put it...the percentage of depreciation is close. So...technically, you're right...the Avalon will be worth more, however...in order to do so, it had to cost more intially. You wouldn't be saying that if both the Avalon and Azera were priced the same, and that would really be the only way you might understand what I've been trying to say all along. |
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Replying to: jaymagic (Feb 08, 2008 8:32 am) If you value "to get the most for less money" then Azera is the best value in the group. On the other hand, if the value is "to have the superior (numero uno) car without paying too much premium" then Avalon will win hands down. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 08, 2008 9:16 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 08, 2008 9:48 am)
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