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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:19 pm) another ridiculous question - to make it equal to the Toyotas (and Nissan engines) - obviously. Whether you know it or not, the smaller the engine the less the HP and vice versa. Using simple ratios, the 2GR in its present form would be putting out 20 MORE hp with a simple increase in size to 3.8 liters - and it would logically suck a little more gas as well. And before you get all excited that this 290HP out of this phantom 3.8 liter Toyota engine is the same as the 'performance' V6 in the Genesis - let me remind you that that Toyota is already getting 306 hp out of this engine without increasing its size - its called the IS350
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 07, 2008 12:34 pm) I really believe they chose 3.8 for room to grow...as you see, it's the same powerplant that will be in the mid-level Genesis. Ahhhhhhhhh...I never said that there is no better value than an Azera. My friend, I have merely stated that the Azera is a viable option and a contender in it's respective segments. If anything...I'm saying that the Azera is on par with Avalon as far as value is concerned.
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 12:38 pm) The whole point of this conversation is...Hyundai is able to do the very things that Toyota is doing...just using different displacments to do so. Who's to say that they can't get 300 hp out of their 3.6? Who's to say that they can't get 350 out of their 3.8? Do you know that it's not possible?
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:47 pm) If "room to grow" is what Hyundai is concerned then they should start up with a smaller engine like how Nissan did it. Their 3.5 produces 306 hp and with little tweaks and increasing of displacement the 3.7 produces 330 hp. I guess my point is that if there is a way to produce equal amount of horsepower with a 3.5 rather than 3.8 then I don't see why not to go that route.
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| Just had the dealer replace the rear brakes on my Montego Premier,29000 miles and they were paper thin and I constantly had to clean the rear wheels. this was a Factory Recall at no charge. Even with an appointment I waited almost 5 hours at the dealer,get a ride home and pick it up later. Look the car over when you pick it up. Mechanics put a 1"scratch on r.fender and edge of headlight. You have to have 10 eyes with these guys.Ken/Boca Raton FL Also/if your experiencing alot of road noise from tires have them high speed balanced and rotated,I did and what a difference. | |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:54 pm) Who's to say they can get 300hp out of the 3.6 and 350 hp out of their 3.8 since there is no Hyundai 3.6 that produces 300hp and 3.8 that produces 350hp? How do you know that's possible? On this topic we are all just speculating, including you.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:36 pm) can you read your own post #4995? You are the musing about how long it takes to get 3 grand back at the gas pumps - not me, all I'm pointing out is that you get your 3 grand back when you trade it in. Furthermore, IF there is 3 grand of difference (your number) at purchase AND a 2 year old Avalon is worth 4 grand more than a 2 year old Azera (Kelley Blue Book) - in fact, the Avalon would be about a grand cheaper to own wouldn't it? - and the gas pumps have nothing to do with it. Minus, of course, the cost of financing the extra 3 grand, of course, but I better not go into that - not so remedial anymore! Think there is more than 3 grand of difference BTW - they are really having trouble selling those Azeras apparently.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:47 pm) Sure they can - put a super/turbocharger on it and you will be bragging on 400 hp (or more). Nissan's getting 450hp out of the VQ doing the same thing. All I did say (and it was more an implication) was that the Hyundai 3.8 is neither as efficient or 'advanced' as several engines - the Toyota 2GR among them. And you don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure this one out....
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 07, 2008 1:00 pm) I mean...the fact that Hyundai is putting the 3.6, producing 268 hp in the Genesis proves it. Hyundai has started with smaller engines. Before the 3.8 existed, they had the 3.3 and the 3.6. The only one that really was a dud in terms of growth was the 2.7. It's obvious that Hyundai wants to be different...3.3, 3.6 & 3.8. Go figure. |
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 1:15 pm) Actually...el Captain...go check the numbers on Edmunds...the 3.8 is as efficient as the 3.5. I guess we'll have to see what the FE numbers are on the Genesis with the 3.8...if they remain on the same level as what the it produces with the Azera...I guess you would have to eat your words, huh?
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