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Replying to: alexstore (Sep 17, 2007 8:13 am) 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 7:26 am) there you go dreaming again- what about the extra displacement the Hyundai engine needs to put out LESS HP. So lets reduce the Hyundai engine to 3.5 liters and then see if Hyundai can get the same sort of hp. Oops, if they could do that then they might actually have an engine as efficient as the 2GR - wouldn't they? And yes the Avalon will be worth more because it does indeed cost more - BUT, as long as you get it back at trade-in time it didn't cost more at all - certainly not a 'moot' point. It's the only thinh that matters. Percentages of value mean nothing BTW, it is obviously total dollars out of pocket that we should all be concerned with - if you want to buy a car that holds its value real well on a percentage basis buy a BMW and then you'll understand. You Hyundai freaks seem to focus on how cheap Hyundai HAS TO sell its cars but then conveniently forget how cheap they remain 4 or 5 years down the road.
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 12:06 pm) Why do you have to reduce the engine to 3.5 liters? They obviously can get that kind of HP out of their engines. If I recall...the 3.6 L V-6 that's going in the Genesis will produce 268 and the 3.8 will produce 290...what is your point??? Also...percentages of value mean a lot. Because in the end...the Avalon loses as much value as the Azera does over the same amount of time. So...it's relative to the fact that the Avalon costs more, which equates to being worth more. However...the loss of value is close to being the same. So..out of pocket savings would be the advantage of the Azera. It cost you less to get it to begin with...remember? Hyundai freaks aren't "focused on how cheap Hyundai HAS TO sell it's cars but then conveniently forget how cheap they remain 4 or 5 years down the road." We're focused on the value of what we get for our money. It's the Toytoa freaks that have to find ways of justifying spending the extra money by knocking the Hyundai. And get this...make it seem like there's a greater overall savings!!! LOL Face it...with a Hyundai, you get a viable option that's a solid contender in every segment.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:19 pm)  If you can get out of your own 'I bought a cheap car' nirvana - LOOK IT UP, an 06 Avalon XLS has a $18.7k trade-in value, the 06 Azera Ltd $14.7 (source: kbb.com). That's $4000.00 bucks where I come from - did you actually spend $4k more for the Toyota new - possibly. This is remedial math - I give up on trying to teach it to you - 'spin' indeed!
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:19 pm) The GM 3.6 V6 produces over 300 hp, granted with DI. the 3.8 will produce 290...what is your point The Nissan/Infiniti 3.7 V6 produces 330 hp. Okay, I don't think there is anything wrong that Hyundai decided to go with 3.8 instead of 3.5 with the engine and I am sure they have good reasons to. However, I am just not a big fan of the "trading displacement for power" philosophy, that's why I was never a fan (and still not) of big domestic V8s. I don't think Avalon owners need to justify themselves for spending the premium because I am sure in their minds, the purchases were money well spent. I also do not believe the Azera owners should keep insisting that there is no better value in this class because "value" to Azera owners might not be the same to say Avalon and Maxima owners.
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 12:27 pm) Oh..and the "spin" comment was directed towards giving the Azera the same hp and removing the 19 lbs extra it has over the Avalon. Regardless of the displacement of the engine...it would run right next to your Avalon, instead of slightly behind. I noticed you didn't respond to my pointing out that Hyundai indeed can get greater hp from a smaller displaced engine. Thank you very much.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:19 pm) another ridiculous question - to make it equal to the Toyotas (and Nissan engines) - obviously. Whether you know it or not, the smaller the engine the less the HP and vice versa. Using simple ratios, the 2GR in its present form would be putting out 20 MORE hp with a simple increase in size to 3.8 liters - and it would logically suck a little more gas as well. And before you get all excited that this 290HP out of this phantom 3.8 liter Toyota engine is the same as the 'performance' V6 in the Genesis - let me remind you that that Toyota is already getting 306 hp out of this engine without increasing its size - its called the IS350
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 07, 2008 12:34 pm) I really believe they chose 3.8 for room to grow...as you see, it's the same powerplant that will be in the mid-level Genesis. Ahhhhhhhhh...I never said that there is no better value than an Azera. My friend, I have merely stated that the Azera is a viable option and a contender in it's respective segments. If anything...I'm saying that the Azera is on par with Avalon as far as value is concerned.
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 12:38 pm) The whole point of this conversation is...Hyundai is able to do the very things that Toyota is doing...just using different displacments to do so. Who's to say that they can't get 300 hp out of their 3.6? Who's to say that they can't get 350 out of their 3.8? Do you know that it's not possible?
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:47 pm) If "room to grow" is what Hyundai is concerned then they should start up with a smaller engine like how Nissan did it. Their 3.5 produces 306 hp and with little tweaks and increasing of displacement the 3.7 produces 330 hp. I guess my point is that if there is a way to produce equal amount of horsepower with a 3.5 rather than 3.8 then I don't see why not to go that route.
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