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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 10:33 am) 
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 07, 2008 10:37 am) This event happening within the first few weeks of ownership of my Azera, just really impressed me. I mean...in MY mind...the TL is a good running car and I figured it to have some get up and go. So...wanting to see what my Azera could do...I went for it. Even the TL driver pulled up next to me when we finally did come to a light and mirrored my sentiments by telling me he was impressed too. That's it...nothing more. I might have explained it differently if I had set out to race and beat a TL or something like that, but nah...it was just something that happned...right time and place, that's all.
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From the discussions on this forum eventually we will need to rename it to Hyundai vs World forum
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 7:03 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 11:26 am)  You silly guy, the Fusion AWS has TCS!!!
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Replying to: alexstore (Sep 17, 2007 8:13 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 7:26 am) there you go dreaming again- what about the extra displacement the Hyundai engine needs to put out LESS HP. So lets reduce the Hyundai engine to 3.5 liters and then see if Hyundai can get the same sort of hp. Oops, if they could do that then they might actually have an engine as efficient as the 2GR - wouldn't they? And yes the Avalon will be worth more because it does indeed cost more - BUT, as long as you get it back at trade-in time it didn't cost more at all - certainly not a 'moot' point. It's the only thinh that matters. Percentages of value mean nothing BTW, it is obviously total dollars out of pocket that we should all be concerned with - if you want to buy a car that holds its value real well on a percentage basis buy a BMW and then you'll understand. You Hyundai freaks seem to focus on how cheap Hyundai HAS TO sell its cars but then conveniently forget how cheap they remain 4 or 5 years down the road.
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 12:06 pm) Why do you have to reduce the engine to 3.5 liters? They obviously can get that kind of HP out of their engines. If I recall...the 3.6 L V-6 that's going in the Genesis will produce 268 and the 3.8 will produce 290...what is your point??? Also...percentages of value mean a lot. Because in the end...the Avalon loses as much value as the Azera does over the same amount of time. So...it's relative to the fact that the Avalon costs more, which equates to being worth more. However...the loss of value is close to being the same. So..out of pocket savings would be the advantage of the Azera. It cost you less to get it to begin with...remember? Hyundai freaks aren't "focused on how cheap Hyundai HAS TO sell it's cars but then conveniently forget how cheap they remain 4 or 5 years down the road." We're focused on the value of what we get for our money. It's the Toytoa freaks that have to find ways of justifying spending the extra money by knocking the Hyundai. And get this...make it seem like there's a greater overall savings!!! LOL Face it...with a Hyundai, you get a viable option that's a solid contender in every segment.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:19 pm)  If you can get out of your own 'I bought a cheap car' nirvana - LOOK IT UP, an 06 Avalon XLS has a $18.7k trade-in value, the 06 Azera Ltd $14.7 (source: kbb.com). That's $4000.00 bucks where I come from - did you actually spend $4k more for the Toyota new - possibly. This is remedial math - I give up on trying to teach it to you - 'spin' indeed!
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 12:19 pm) The GM 3.6 V6 produces over 300 hp, granted with DI. the 3.8 will produce 290...what is your point The Nissan/Infiniti 3.7 V6 produces 330 hp. Okay, I don't think there is anything wrong that Hyundai decided to go with 3.8 instead of 3.5 with the engine and I am sure they have good reasons to. However, I am just not a big fan of the "trading displacement for power" philosophy, that's why I was never a fan (and still not) of big domestic V8s. I don't think Avalon owners need to justify themselves for spending the premium because I am sure in their minds, the purchases were money well spent. I also do not believe the Azera owners should keep insisting that there is no better value in this class because "value" to Azera owners might not be the same to say Avalon and Maxima owners.
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