Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 6:24 am)

so then the FE bonus is really money saved , isn't it? LOL
 
Actually...no it isn't...the larger that gap, the longer it would take to make up that difference in FE.
 
However, looking at numbers on Edmunds...they have the Avalon & Azera listed with the same FE. Wow...imagine that, guess that would equate to NO advantage in the FE department.
 
So, to answer your question...the money saved is on the side of the Azera.

Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 6:44 am)

Actually...you take away the 50 lbs the Azera has on the Max or the 19 lbs it has over the Avalon and give it the same hp...the Azera would run neck and neck with both cars. The only department either would trip the Azera up in would be handling...ooops...wait a minute, only the Max would.
 
At any rate, you made a comment about starting a car up and not hearing the engine running is one sign of refinement (in so many words it was part of what you were saying). If you had driven an Azera, you would have found that to be true of the Hyundai 3.8. It is no louder than either the Avalon's or Max's engine!!!
 
The softness of the Azera suspension is about the only knock when comparing it to the Avalon and the Max. Even the Motor Trend comparo said the same thing and it really didn't hold it against the Azera, just basically said it was better suited for highway cruising.
 
If you're thinking in terms of resale value, I've already shown that to be a moot point. The Avalon will be worth more because it costs more to begin with. Now if you look at it from a percentage aspect, it's much, much closer than you think. I mean...look at what you paid for the Avalon and say 2 years down the road, figure how much it's worth...what's the percentage of difference? If you did the same thing with the Azera (for the sake of the arguement, say both cars have identical mileage on them and are in the same condition)...figure the percentage of difference between it's value new and what it's worth after 2 years...I guarantee you...you'll be surprised!

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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 7:00 am)

I did, what does that have to do with the current convo?
 
Did that TL trail so far behind that it couldn't even see your tail lights? Because according to you that's the definition of "getting smoked".
 
 

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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 07, 2008 10:33 am)

I did too, you are right that you never said you "smoked" the TL but your tone sure as heck sounded like you did.
 
 

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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 07, 2008 10:37 am)

I figured that's what took you so long to respond! LOL I don't know how you picked that out of my tone when I never said I flat out left the TL behind or anything like that. One thing you'll realize about me...I'm going to tell you like it is. It serves me no purpose to hype something up that isn't...if it really wasn't.
 
This event happening within the first few weeks of ownership of my Azera, just really impressed me. I mean...in MY mind...the TL is a good running car and I figured it to have some get up and go. So...wanting to see what my Azera could do...I went for it. Even the TL driver pulled up next to me when we finally did come to a light and mirrored my sentiments by telling me he was impressed too.
 
That's it...nothing more. I might have explained it differently if I had set out to race and beat a TL or something like that, but nah...it was just something that happned...right time and place, that's all.

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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 07, 2008 11:26 am)

AWD w/no TCS or ESC??? You silly guy, the Fusion AWS has TCS!!!