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6844 messages,  Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by captain2
Feb 06, 2008 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 10:11 am)

actually we don't know that - Toyotas have a tendency towards very conservative VSC settings and really can't be shut off - in the Azera (to Hyundai's credit) it is easily disabled. If you actually read these slalom/skidpad 'handling' evaluations you have started to see a little asterisk appearing next to some results - the asterisk meaning 'stability control inhibited'. Ford can 'win' Ford sponsored challenges because of things like this.
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5000 by thegraduate
Feb 06, 2008 (5:52 pm)
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Going Green? by manojnair
Feb 07, 2008 (2:13 am)
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How would the market accept this?
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by alexstore
Feb 07, 2008 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 8:32 am)

MAx heavier than Azera???? 3432 in Maxima vs 3629 in Azera ( edmunds 05 max/06 ltd azera)
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by captain2
Feb 07, 2008 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 12:14 pm)

allmet - that 'warranty' is not only a 'Hyundai' gimmick anymore but one shared by several brands of cars that otherwise have trouble selling these days, or are you really going to try to tell me that Chrysler/Hyundai , for example, warranties the 300/Azera that way because they have 'faith' in it. LOL
$3000.00 BTW may be a little low because things like 2 year old Avalons can be worth $4000.00 more than the equivalent Azera (run the numbers on kbb if you don't believe it) - so then the FE bonus is really money saved , isn't it? LOL
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by captain2
Feb 07, 2008 (6:44 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 9:04 am)

is to tell you to take one for a spin. I think even YOU would be surprised.
I did and I was, and never in any of my hundreds of posts have I ever said otherwise - it is simply not a Avalon (or a Maxima) engine wise. Not to be discouraged though, because that is awfully tall timber. The Azera Limited I did drive was extraordinarily 'soft' - thought I was in an old-fashioned Buick. Keep in mind I'm comparing to my 'Touring' Avalon because I would also tell you that the XLS/Ltd trims of the Avalon are also too soft for my tastes. FE and actual cost of ownership (like most folks I tend to keep a car 4-5 years) are also things that would keep me from buying one.
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by alexstore
Feb 07, 2008 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 10:11 am)

aren't you the one who said in the past that you smoked TL?
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Re: What about MPG? [alexstore] by allmet33
Feb 07, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: alexstore (Feb 07, 2008 6:03 am)

Alex...calm down, I already saw MY error and I posted it.
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Re: What about MPG? [alexstore] by allmet33
Feb 07, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: alexstore (Feb 07, 2008 6:59 am)

I did, what does that have to do with the current convo?
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by allmet33
Feb 07, 2008 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 06, 2008 3:59 pm)

What Ford doesn't tell folks is they are comparing their AWD equipped Fusion to the FWD versions of the other cars. Of course it'll do better.

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