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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 06, 2008 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 9:26 am)

96.2 mph = 141.09 ft/s
 
That means by the time the Avalon crosses the 1/4-mile mark, the Azera is 56.4 ft behind (141.09 x 0.4). Given that the length of the Avalon is 16.4 ft that's means the Azera is trailing by almost 3.5 car length by the 1/4-mile mark.
 
Using the same calculation, it's also about 3 car length when Avalon reaches 60 mph.
 
So yeah, not exactly a runway but Avalon did smoke the Azera in both acceleration contests.
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by louiswei
Feb 06, 2008 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 06, 2008 9:35 am)

Also, FWD cars have the tendency to understeer (in racing terms that means the car is "tight") and RWD car are more balanced. However, a little bit of understeer is actually a good thing for daily driving (so the car won't easily spin out) so most RWD cars are engineered to have mild understeer.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 06, 2008 9:56 am)

Which...at those speeds, the Azera will cover that distance in about .5 seconds (roughly)...like I said, it's not a runaway my friend.
 
Boy...if you consider 6.2 vs. 6.8 smoking...you MUST be smoking something. Smoked is when you have one car that can go 0-60 in 5 seconds and another that takes 6.5...that's being smoked. At best, all you can say is the Avalon simply beat the Azera.
 
Nice try though.
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 06, 2008 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 10:03 am)

I consider everything more than 2-car length as being "smoked"
 
As long as you can see my tail lights then sir, you've got smoked.
 
 
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 06, 2008 10:02 am)

Well...the one time FWD cars do spin out...while turning on wet roads from a dead stop, going uphill. I've got one street that turns onto a street that has an incline, any time it rains...you're guaranteed to watch cars pull out and spin until they get going.
 
My tires start to spin, but then the good ol ESC kicks in.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 06, 2008 10:06 am)

You guys are just so funny to me! Smoked is when you pull away and the guy behind you can't even read the badging on your car.
 
However, in the terms of Avalon vs. Azera...the way Captain makes it seem, the Azera shouldn't even be THAT close.
 
I notice that he chose to ignore the whole 600 ft. Slalom course data! LOL I mean, it would indicate that the Azera handles a bit better than the Avalon. Go figure.
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 06, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 10:08 am)

AWD cars also spin out you know...
 
I was talking about under normal driving conditions.
 
FWD is naturally understeered and RWD is naturally more balanced while leaning toward the oversteer side. That's why under daily driving a FWD car should be just as good as the RWD cars but on a track and under extreme driving that's where the difference shows.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 06, 2008 10:12 am)

They do, but the tendency is less. Our AWD Outlook handles that very turn with ease and no slippage.
 
Oh...I know, just pointing a an instance, that's all.
 
Right, right...I'm with you on that.
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by joe97
Feb 06, 2008 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 06, 2008 10:06 am)

Ironically, we are talking about two fine FWD sedans made for comfort and not racing. Anyway, a 2-car length, for example, just means car A is slightly faster than car B. "Smoked?" a 10 second car vs. the Avalon, now that'd be a good example of getting smoked
 
No, I am not advising racing is okay...
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Re: What about MPG? [joe97] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 06, 2008 10:34 am)

LOL You're right, but racing IS okay if done in the right envrionment, such as a drag strip or race track/course.
 
However, the point I was making to el Captain (who seems to think that the Avalon is just so much more superior than the Azera) is that it's actually a closer competitor than I think he wishes to admit. I honestly believe it gives him the heebie jeebies to even consider the idea that a Korean product even comes close to his fine Japanese (American built) vehicle.

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