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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 06, 2008 9:01 am)

I did sir, looked at Edmunds.com at the 2006 Maxima SL model...maybe it's a typo, but it showed a weight of over 4000 lbs. However, looking at the 2008 SL...it shows 3579, must be a typo. However...the Azera at 3629 is only 50 lbs. heavier than the Maxima. The Avalon is 19 lbs lighter than the Azera at 3610.
 
Wait a minute...aren't RWD vehicles supposed to be better at accelerating??? Isn't that one of the reasons why RWD is a prefered platform for a sports sedan???
 
The FE may not be any better in the Genesis as compared to the Azera, but I can see it being about the same. Like you said...well know more soon enough.
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Re: What about MPG? [tjc78] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 06, 2008 8:53 am)

Right!
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Re: What about MPG? [tenpin288] by captain2
Feb 06, 2008 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Feb 06, 2008 9:02 am)

was using CRs numbers - from their 08 Car issue - not that any of these numbers are really anything you can hang your hat on. It's all relative. But I will rephrase in deference to the EPA:
despite a 10% smaller engine and a 10% difference in FE the Avalon will still outaccelerate the Azera .
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by louiswei
Feb 06, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 9:08 am)

It's got to be a typo, the Maxima SL has a curb weight of 3,579 lbs and the SE is at 3,591 lbs.
 
Can you show a link to where it says 4,000 lbs?
 
I can guarantee you that the Genesis FE will not be better than Azera, the best case is that both are the same.
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 06, 2008 9:16 am)

It shall, but it won't just walk away from one. Which...considering the Avalon being a tad lighter with a few more ponies under the hood...it SHOULD be out accelerating the Azera. However...if you look at the MotorTrend comparo...the Avalon went 0-60 in 6.2 and they got the Azera to go 0-60 in 6.8. 1/4 mile run...the Avalon did it in 14.8 96.2 mph and the Azera did it in 15.2 93.6 mph.
 
Not exactly a runaway, huh Captain?
 
Wait a minute...the Azera stopped quicker (60-0) 121 ft, compared to the 126 ft on the Avalon.
 
600 ft Slalom run...the Azera averaged 63.8 mph and the Avalon averaged 61.9 mph.
 
Wow...here's an important figure that's even closer when compared...passing 45-65 mph...Azera needed 3.2 seconds and the Avalon needed 3 seconds flat.
 
Captain...from a performance standpoint, it would seem that the Azera is TRULY a competitor for the Avalon, moreso than you care to admit or accept.
 
Here, you can check for yourself, so you can see I didn't make anything up. Like I said, do yourself a favor and hop in an Azera and take it for a spin, and you'll start to understand how any of this is possible.
MotorTrend Comparo: Azera vs Avalon
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Re: What about MPG? [louiswei] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Feb 06, 2008 9:18 am)

Nah...it's not a typo...went back and looked...they show Gross Weight AND Curb Weight and I glanced at Gross Weight. Okay, okay...tragedy averted. My bad fellas.
 
Louis...I've already conceded that, you're late...as ususal.
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Re: What about MPG? [tjc78] by joe97
Feb 06, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Feb 06, 2008 8:22 am)

The Genesis will be using the second generation of Lambda engines (of its V6 applications), like what we have seen on the Sonata, where major hp increases were acheived, on both the I4 and V6, improvements on fuel efficiency were also the case.
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Re: What about MPG? [joe97] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 06, 2008 9:31 am)

Joe...you can't tell these guys anything...they are pro-japenese and the koreans just aren't capable in their eyes. They don't want or care to admit that it is possible.
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Re: What about MPG? [allmet33] by captain2
Feb 06, 2008 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Feb 06, 2008 9:08 am)

RWD cars besides generally being heavier than the same car FWD also is generally fighting the extra rotating frictions (like long heavy driveshafts etc). RWD in itself would have no special advantage in acceleration times either - only that it is a better way to get a lot of HP to the pavement (torque steer issues) . The tradeoff, of course, is the whole controllability issue (in bad driving cnditions) that you and others have mentioned.
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Re: What about MPG? [captain2] by allmet33
Feb 06, 2008 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 06, 2008 9:35 am)

Okay...so really...the biggest advantage of RWD is the lack of torque steer, okay...gotcha.

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