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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Dec 17, 2006 (4:06 pm)
Agree with your posting.
We bought a 2007 Lucerne CX and really enjoy the smooth,
and quiet performance of the 3800 engine and 4 speed auto.
Have yet NEEDED to "mash" gas pedal to the floor in over 3 months of city / highway driving situations and have never felt a bit of the dreaded hesitation problem as mentioned in the other cars with the 263 or 268 HP.
There must be something to the torque vs. horsepower argumemt after all, as this car is rated at 197HP but feels like more than that, in everyday driving.
My old Park Ave had 170HP,and drove it for 10 years, now I have 197HP in this refined version of the Buick 3800 engine.
I think the majority of people will find this more than adequate unless some plan time doing race track skills on local highways!
I tested both Avalon and Azera before buying Lucerne.
Lucerne's engine does not sound like a jet engine, (like the Avalon did,)when doing a simple highway passing test.
Worse than that,Avalon hesitated for what seemed like a really long second before it did anything!
Lucerne does a better job at isolating bumpy roads from the driver, while maintaiting ride control,throw in the standard auto load leveling system as you mentioned and yes the choice is clear.
This car is built in the same plant as Caddy DTS and shares the same chassi(platform).
PS 28-30 MPG (highway) seems like a bonus with such a great riding "full-size car.
#475 of 6854 Re: Um... [loyalbuickfan]
Dec 17, 2006 (4:18 pm)
>My old Park Ave had 170HP,and drove it for 10 years, now I have 197HP in this refined version of the Buick 3800 engine.
I think the majority of people will find this more than adequate
It's the torque at the usual accelerating motor speeds that makes the difference. Your car is producing 220 lb/ft approx from 1800 to 3300 which I find is my usual motor speed accelerating from a stop sign. Most cars won't be used at their horsepower max rated speed because they're not going to drive that fast and that would only be reached in lower gears for passing, maybe.
#476 of 6854 Re: Um... [loyalbuickfan]
Dec 17, 2006 (5:25 pm)
The only reason why your Buick 3800 sounds/feels refined is because you are not pushing it hard. I used to drive a chevy with the 3800 and it doesn't sound good when pushed hard.
The 3800 is overated and most cars have good torque output at idle unless the engine is less than 3.0L like the Honda S2000. With variable valve timing OHC engines are way better than OHV unless the pushrod engine is a V8 and greater than 300 cubic inches.
#477 of 6854 Re: Um... [batista]
Dec 17, 2006 (5:44 pm)
>The 3800 is overated and most cars have good torque output at idle unless the engine is less than 3.0L like the Honda S2000. With variable valve timing OHC engines are way better than OHV unless the pushrod engine is a V8 and greater than 300 cubic inches.
Those are opinions and you certainly may have them. Just remember others have their experience with 3800s and have different opinions.
BTW: do you hav data for your statements here? "Way beter than OHV"?
#478 of 6854 Re: Um... [batista]
Dec 17, 2006 (5:48 pm)
There is only one OHV engine I like ,and thats the Hemi,other then that I rather have the OHC.They rev up higher then a pushrod and get to your max horespower quicker.That what makes the Mustangs so fast.
#479 of 6854 Re: Um... [imidazol97]
Dec 17, 2006 (6:09 pm)
It's no secret that OHV aren't refined unless its big like 5.7L Hemi and 6.0L Corvette. I felt it and so did all professional car reviewers.
#480 of 6854 Re: Um... [xtec]
Dec 17, 2006 (6:13 pm)
I would have purchased the Charger Hemi R/T if it didn't have MDS. I don't trust the 4-8 switch reliability and I drive only in the city and that is why I purchased a loaded SXT with 3.5L. If it was a full time V8 then I would have paid the extra $2-3K and gotten the Hemi.
#481 of 6854 Re: Um... [imidazol97]
Dec 17, 2006 (6:21 pm)
Haven't we been down this road before. The 3800 is bullet proof OLD technology. It does the job but the future is engines like Toyo and Nissan 3.5's and even GM's 3.6 if they can get it as reliable as the 3800. Which might happen once it is 50 years old too.
#482 of 6854 Re: Um... [tjc78]
Dec 17, 2006 (7:08 pm)
The 80s were great but it's now almost 2007. While Detroit had some big problems back then, they have come a long way since and I think it is shortsighted to ASSUME that their current offerings have any worse reliability than their counterparts. I've owned nothing but American cars since the late 80s and have never had reliability issues.
Underestimating Detroit is likely what will bring them back from the brink...assuming they come back. They've learned some hard lessons and I'm excited about what they'll be offering in the coming years.
My point is that it won't take 50 yrs to make the new products bulletproof. I think they are starting out just as good as the competition...regardless of the technological differences.
#483 of 6854 Re: Um... [quietpro]
Dec 17, 2006 (8:02 pm)
I agree with you.I have a 06 Charger SXT and its one of the best Mopars I ever owned.Thats 36 years of driving Mopars.I also worked on all three cars for over 23 years and thats one reason I drive Mopar.Plus I worked on police cars and that helped.I think the competition helped the American cars
and they are being built better.Bad economy and high health ins. is killing the Industry.