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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#4491 of 6854 Re: Genesis Slalom [captain2]
Jan 06, 2008 (1:14 pm)
"down here in Texas and Gulf States Toyota, you still are looking at a min. $2000.00 or so on every car"
Nothing like that here in south Jersey. My local dealer adds nothing unless you ask. When I was shopping there was one dealer that added a pin stripe and mud flaps for $450. I was quick to tell them I wouldn't pay that and they of course said they would "throw it in". I guess so, it couldn't cost more than $50.
"Maybe it will be the 09 Maxima that puts a scare into it."
Possibly, however I would think that Max will have a much more sporting flair than the Avalon will ever have. This will not appeal to all. I do know that it will be one of the first cars I look at when the Avalon goes off lease. I was reading somewhere that the Avalon will stay pretty much the same through 2011. If nothing else impresses me I will get another one in a minute!
#4492 of 6854 Re: Genesis Slalom [floridabob1]
Jan 07, 2008 (6:06 am)
Bob...I think we have to give them a chance with the '08 model, I do believe the issues that have made themselves known with the '06 & '07 models are supposed to be taken care of with the '08, as well as...adding some technology that many feel was lacking.
Currently, there is no other Hyundai model on the market that has anything more than the Azera has in the way of technology. I mean...there is no current model available with in-dash nav. I know a lot of dealerships were offering an aftermarket unit in the Sonata, but of course...it was not a Hyundai offering. With the '08 Azera supposedly having in-dash nav available...that's one issue removed. If they have also addressed the suspension that so many seem to dog the Azera over, I think the critics will be hushed.
As far as the Genesis...I think for Hyundai to push a vehicle that can cost in the mid-upper $30K's...they have to pull out all the stops with technology. From my understanding, the Genesis will have in-dash nav w/bluetooth, adaptive cruise control and a host of other features not found in currenty Hyundai models.
In my opinion, Hyundai could have waited and bypassed the Azera and just brought the Genesis to market. With 3 different trim levels, starting in the mid-$20K's...it fits in the same niche as the Azera. It'll have more power, more refinement (maybe) and more offerings in the way of features. Don't get me wrong, I love my Azera, but the more I hear about the Genesis...it's making it hard for me to no consider trading up. I wonder how many other Azera owners feel the same way.
#4493 of 6854 Re: Genesis Slalom [thegraduate]
Jan 07, 2008 (6:17 am)
You know...after reading that comment, I made sure to pay attention on the road this weekend. I ran across a few older model Buicks and I honestly don't see the connection. Are you talking about the fact that you have the two tail lights bridged by the piece of plastic in the middle? If so...there were many cars that had some form of that at some point. To say it's Buicky...I just don't see it.
As far as the Sonata looking better than the Azera, you would be the first person I've ever heard say that. Coming from a Sonata, I was gung-ho about the '06 Sonata...until I saw the Azera. The only thing I can say is that I wish the Azera shared the taughtness of the Sonata suspension, other than that...hands down, the Azera was the better car for me. The one thing I did like about the Sonata was that when they re-designed it...the interior, while looking fresh and new, still had cues of Sonatas past.
#4494 of 6854 Re: Genesis Slalom [captain2]
Jan 07, 2008 (6:19 am)
LOL The most domestic, foreign car on the market, huh?
#4495 of 6854 Re: Azera Not Assembled in USA? [garym1j]
Jan 07, 2008 (6:56 am)
Yeah...currently, the Azera is made over in Korea. There was talk of having it manufactured here in the U.S., but I'm not sure how much outfitting would need to be done at their Albama plant to make that happen. Not unless Hyundai has another plant being constructed to handle U.S. production of the Azera and possibly the Genesis.
#4496 of 6854 Re: Genesis Slalom [allmet33]
Jan 07, 2008 (7:04 am)
laugh, if you wish - and certainly a hard concept to grasp isn't it?. A lot of what Detroit produces comes out of Canada and/or Mexico and soon apparently China - where Buicks are big. Not everything yet, of course - but the 'US' brands are steadily moving out. Don't be surprised if this doesn't happen to the Azera as well - the weak dollar may make it too expensive for Hyundai to do anything else.
#4497 of 6854 Re: Genesis Slalom [captain2]
Jan 07, 2008 (7:12 am)
I'm not lauging at the concept, but then again I am. It's funny how so many people put an emphasis on buying foreign to get a better product, but in actuality...it's no more foreign than the domestic brands.
I agree with you, I do believe that Hyundai will be producing the Azera, Genesis, Veracruz and Entourage here in the U.S. Considering they are larger vehicles, shipping costs would be greatly reduced. The smaller cars really aren't an issue as they can cram a whole bunch of those on ship and send 'em across the pond. You start filling a boat with the larger ones, you find you can't quite put as many of those as you can the Tiburons, Accents, Elantras and Tucsons on there.
#4498 of 6854 Re: Azera Not Assembled in USA? [allmet33]
Jan 07, 2008 (7:13 am)
Not unless Hyundai has another plant being constructed to handle U.S. production of the Azera and possibly the Genesis.
well if this was to be the case, Hyundai is going to have to sell a whole lot more of both vehicles to be able to justify the investment. Read somewhere that $700 or 800 million was spent down in Alabama but then again, they do sell a lot more Sonatas and Santa Fes, don't they? 3000 Azeras a month - not even a blip on the radar screen - heck even 8000 Avalons just barely a blip.
#4499 of 6854 Re: Azera Not Assembled in USA? [captain2]
Jan 07, 2008 (7:18 am)
I agree wholeheartedly. That's why I'm thinking they might outfit the current plant to handle production of the Azera. Maybe???
#4500 of 6854 Re: Genesis Slalom [allmet33]
Jan 07, 2008 (7:47 am)
Are you talking about the fact that you have the two tail lights bridged by the piece of plastic in the middle? If so...there were many cars that had some form of that at some point. To say it's Buicky...I just don't see it.
No, that's not the only reason. The very rounded nature of the rear-end helps emphasize the Buick-y look to me. It's not a clone in any way, just has some reseblance.
And, as far as the Sonata being better looking than the Azera, I'm young, so its in the eye of the beholder. The Azera isn't a crisp and sharp looking as I'd like it to be. I don't drive a sports car (I drive a midsize 4-door), but while I wouldn't want to be seen in an Azera, I wouldn't mind being in a Sonata. The Azera looks like something my dad should be driving, not me (although the current Sonata's interior is a downer, glad its getting refreshed!).