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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#4390 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [tjc78]
Dec 29, 2007 (9:51 am)
Yes, it is puzzling that GM has continued to use the old 3800 in the Lucerne - spoils an otherwise decent choice.
The upcoming G8 (I hate that name!) will add another credible player in this field.
And, Captain, yes, I used the word refined, or refinement, and proceeded it with the word mechanical. To be more specific, I was really referring to the engine. My somewhat limited experience with Toyota V6s is that they are very smooth and quiet and have a pleasing sound when pushed. The Ford 3.0 Duratec was pretty rough around the edges in comparison. The new 3.5 Ford is much more pleasing than the 3.0, possibly due to more sound insulation and the way the engine is mounted. I would have to drive it back to back with an Avalon to draw any firm conclusions.
Also, I agree that low price and value do not mean the same thing. When I refer to the Taurus as being a good value, I refer to it's attributes of space, comfort, ride, quiet, and driving experience for its price. Before buying, my primary comparisons were with rentals - Impalas, 4 cyl Camrys, Altimas, V6 Chargers, Fusions, etc. Upon driving a Taurus rental for the first time a few months ago, I concluded that, for my purposes, it was worth $5000 more than any of them. Fortunately, the transaction price was comparable or lower.
As for resale, I was responding to a poster who indicated that the buyer didn't seem to care about resale. In any case, condition of the vehicle being sold plays a big role. I just sold the 2001 Taurus that our new one replaced. It had 88,000 trouble-free miles on it and brought about 1/3 of what I paid for it brand new. There are thousands of old Taurus rental returns that have really hurt the resale values, but frankly, on cars in this low price range, I don't care much about depreciation, either.
#4391 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [brucelinc]
Dec 29, 2007 (11:00 pm)
With my parents in town, they decided to take a look with me at the car I've been telling my grandmother about (the Taurus SEL). A local dealer (Long-Lewis Ford) has windshield pricing on every car. An Ice Blue Taurus SEL with the Convenience Package (Dual Zone Auto Climate, Auto On/Off Headlights, 6CD, 8-way Pwr Seat) was $20,9XX. My dad liked the car, and said he'd definitely look at it soon. My parents are in one car right now - and will be buying a more comfortable trip car when they sell one of their properties. They currently own a 2007 Civic EX - a fun car, but not good for the 290 mile (one-way) trip-home they make every two or three weeks.
#4392 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [jimmy2x]
Dec 30, 2007 (4:28 am)
Jimmy, not to stick my 2 cents in, but what the heck. When I was in the car market last year I had my choices narrowed down to 2. One being the Avalon, the other the Lucerne equipped with the Northstar. I was actually sitting at the salesman's desk ready to sign the papers when my wife urged me to go down the street and at least look at the Avy. I'm a big boy, around 250 and I didn't think there was anyway that a "toyota' could be big enough to satisfy me. I was dead wrong. I don't know what the numbers are, but I can tell you that whatever the numbers are, I was much more comfortable in the Avy. I didn't feel as confined sitting in the drivers seat. I think part of that reason is that the buicks seats are contoured upward on each side, where the avy's seats are more of a "flat" seat. I can tell you that I think the Buick did have a smoother ride, and I did like the "throaty" roar of the northstar when I stepped down on it. But consider this, the northstar is a power plant that produces 275 horses, the Avy's V-6 cranks out 268 and weighs about 400 lbs less, not to mention the fe on the avy greatly out performs the Northstar. Also the interiors are both nice, but just depends on your taste, with the buick being more conservative and the Avy's being alittle sportier. After weighing all the pros and cons that were important to me, I went with the avy. Have had it since sept. of 07 and don't have any complaints. Just my opinion.
#4393 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [rpfingsten]
Dec 30, 2007 (6:30 am)
When I was on a market in 05, I actually narrowed my choices to 2 Maxima And Avalon. My wife wanted Avalon, but I chose Maxima. In almost any test Avalon beats Maxima, thanks to 2gr in Toyota, but Maxima is younger and a little bit more fun to drive. Avalon is more conservative.
Now Avalon to Lucerne is Apples to Apples comparison. Though Northstar is great engine, it is showing its age in Buick. If Lucerne had 3.6 with 275 HP as one in Enclave, your choice would have been much closer. I do believe that 3.6 is now one of the best engines on the market today. Also now reliability wise Buick and Toyota are almost dead even.
#4394 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [rpfingsten]
Dec 30, 2007 (9:09 am)
Jimmy, not to stick my 2 cents in...
Am very glad that you did - after all that is supposed to be the point of these forums. I do have a couple of questions.
1. Did you spring for the NAV? I seem to read a lot of complaints about those on the Avalon.
2. Do you have any problem with the six speed transmission "hunting" in normal driving?
3. I understand that the rear seat does not fold down. Is there a pass-thru from the trunk and do you find that the trunk has sufficient usable space for long trips?
4. In your experience is app. 25 MPG overall a reasonable expectation? We will be using the car mostly for longer trips (retirement car) at around 10K per year. At $4.00 per gallon I figure that the Lucerne would cost us about $500 more per year to run - not a deal breaker but something to consider.
As far as other makes go, there are a couple of issues that prevent me from even considering them.
1. Chrysler - afraid that it will not survive (except for Jeep) making any long-term warranty advantage useless.
2. Hyundai - no AUX. While I am sure that this is no big deal to many people, my wife and kids chipped in to get me a 30G IPod a couple of years ago that I use virtually every day (salesman).
3. Ford Taurus - just looks cheap inside to me, and the exterior reminds me too much of the wife's 80's Tempo.
Thanks for your and anyone else's input.
#4395 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [thegraduate]
Dec 30, 2007 (9:17 am)
I will sure be interested in their impressions after they test drive the Taurus. The car and price you mention sounds very good. My wife's car does not have the convenience package. One other thing that they all lack is a telescoping wheel. That is an oversight that they need to correct, IMO. While the Taurus seats are very comfortable, I always have to drive too straight-armed compared to my Lincoln LS. That is really my only gripe.
The car might seem a bit large and ponderous compared to a Civic. My wife's first reaction was that the new Taurus seemed a lot bigger than her old one - and of course it is. The high seating position and lots of glass on the sides make for great visability, though. Now, she races around in the thing and parks it more easily than she did the old Taurus.
#4396 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [brucelinc]
Dec 30, 2007 (9:46 pm)
The car might seem a bit large and ponderous compared to a Civic. My wife's first reaction was that the new Taurus seemed a lot bigger than her old one - and of course it is. The high seating position and lots of glass on the sides make for great visability, though. Now, she races around in the thing and parks it more easily than she did the old Taurus
Haha, my mom's last car was a 4,400 lb Honda Odyssey. The Taurus will be just
fine I hope! My dad does most of the driving in the Civic. They want a higher-sitting and more cushy car than the Civic for their other vehicle.
#4397 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [jimmy2x]
Dec 31, 2007 (3:22 am)
Jimmy.. I did not spring for the nav. system. When I went to my local toyota dealer, there was only one avalon that was the color that I wanted and that had the same "dark" wood aplique inside. I didn't want to wait for them to find another so I took the one on the lot, and it didn't come with a nav system ( 07 xls ) and it really wasn't important to me..
As for the transmission "hunting" gears.. I have noticed that sometimes at very slow speeds, like slow enough to turn a corner, that there is a very small amount of "lag" time before the car changes gears, but to be honest I've never really considered it a problem.
You mentioned the back seat... it does not fold down.. however it does recline 10 degrees.. You mentioned you would primarily be using your avy as a highway / vacation car. Anyone riding in the back will certainly enjoy that reclining back seat on a long trip. Yes, there is a pass thru from the trunk into the back seat area.. As far as mileage goes, I have not yet put my car on the highway for a long trip, I can tell you that driving it around town and back and forth to work, which is about 10 miles each way, and a combination of city and highway, I do average around 25 to 26 miles a gallon, so I would expect that a constant speed over a long stretch of hiway would certainly result in higher FE numbers. For the power that this V-6 puts out, fuel economy is very good. I will close this out by telling you that If I were in the car market again tomorrow, I would more than likely purchase another Avy. Just my opinion.
#4398 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [rpfingsten]
Dec 31, 2007 (7:30 am)
You're average FE with a combo city and hwy trip is 25-26 mph??? And that's for an Avalon??? That's Corolla and 4 cylinder Camary FE....
#4399 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car 
Dec 31, 2007 (7:36 am)
I see no reason that is not possible. I am almost all city with alot of idling in traffic and average 21 - 22 with my '06 Avalon.