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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#4352 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [smithed]
Dec 26, 2007 (11:10 am)
The 3.0L would've been fine for her - it is still quicker than her 2.3L 150hp 2002 Honda Accord LX she is currently in. She is starting to have a hard time getting up and out of the Accord, which is what led me to the Taurus - Command Seating.
Money isn't an issue, and she'd buy anything I told her to (which is scary). She has her first dime though, so I'm trying to find the best deal. Her being a Ford lady originally led me away from Hyundai and to Ford. The Taurus, other than its large size in general, looks to be a good choice for her. Her car has had 3,500 miles put on it since July, and more than half of those have been me driving her.
#4353 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [thegraduate]
Dec 26, 2007 (11:34 am)
You might want to think about having her buy some sort of gold plated warranty package as it sounds like the car might get to be 10 years old well before any substantial mileage. Age tends to be as problematical for any car as mileage does. Heaven knows, this Ford dealer you're talking to would love to sell her one (he may be making more money selling you that warranty than he is on the whole car), BUT also since this longer term warranties are becoming commonplace be sure to add it to the Ford's cost when getting everything back to a level playing field, and (by all means) use the 'free' warranties that you might get on the other brands in your negotiations! .
#4354 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [captain2]
Dec 26, 2007 (11:41 am)
I'll be sure to mention it to the dealer. Honestly, I feel like we're being treated very well, and that it would be fair. He gave me a prompt response when I asked for a quote. When I told him back in September we weren't ready to test-drive, he never pushed that issue further, even now, months later. This dealer has a good reputation, from what I understand. (It is Town and Country Ford, in Bessemer, Alabama - just SW of Birmingham).
I've never negotiated a car deal at my young age; I'd do it with the help of my great-aunt (my grandmother's sister - who happens to be interested in the Taurus X and Edge). My grandmother is the type who would get taken pretty easily (an avid Home Shopping watcher, if you know what I mean).
#4355 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [thegraduate]
Dec 26, 2007 (11:44 am)
Her being a Ford lady originally led me away from Hyundai and to Ford.
Maybe you just assumed she wouldn't be interested in the Azera. Unless she has said otherwise, why not take her for a look/ test drive of the Azera?
She may or may not prefer it to the Ford, but it's worth a look.
#4356 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [bhmr59]
Dec 26, 2007 (11:54 am)
Because the Hyundai dealer in our town just shut down. The nearest dealer is over 45 minutes from us. The Ford dealer is 10 minutes away, and in an area near where she grew up (she's comfortable with that area).
#4357 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [thegraduate]
Dec 26, 2007 (12:07 pm)
and make sure that you DON'T tell him or anybody else that this is a cash deal or that there is a trade-in involved (if that's the case), if he's honest enough with you he'll tell you that he's got several different prices - one cash, one financed, one with a trade, one without etc. etc. A few hundred UNDER invoice further deducting whatever rebate is being offered sounds about right for that particular car, if he already has the car on his lot.
#4358 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [captain2]
Dec 26, 2007 (12:14 pm)
The deal is no-trade, but likely involves financing.
He's given me quotes twice, three months apart. Both were lower than any competing dealership in Birmingham that responded to my requests (one never responded to my request after two emails - I made sure that Ford knew about it in a consumer survey asking about my inquiry to that dealer). They lost a customer that day!
#4359 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [thegraduate]
Dec 26, 2007 (1:19 pm)
well it looks like the $500.00 rebate is possibly in lieu of some 'bought down' finance rates, so therefore let him know that you'll give FMC a 'shot' on financing it - chances are the dealer is 'rewarded' by FMC and it may effect his price. The 21.2k sounds pretty good to me - invoice (including destination/frt) should be just shy of $22k on that car - if a bumper-to-bumper 7-10yr/100k warranty that retails for maybe $2k, and sells it to you for half of that - meaning $22.2k +TTL drive out, I would think that to be a very reasonable deal for a base SEL (no options). The 07 Azera, BTW, I think is floating 2 large right now and may actually bottom line for less with more 'creature comforts' and without most of the extra warranty costs, although it does get to be a problem for anybody to buy anything that they can't easily get fixed or serviced. But, then again, there may be a few straggler 07 500s left out there - if you could find one of those $6-7k off invoice plus the bought down financing would sound about right. If my experience with 60-70 somethings holds true in your Grandmother's case, the Azera and/or the new Taurus may actually scare her with that 260hp - make sure she takes a good long test drive in the thing and that she can modulate all that power comfortably.
#4360 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [captain2]
Dec 26, 2007 (1:26 pm)
Nah, the power wouldn't scare her. She test drove a V6 Accord and didn't want to spend money on things she wouldn't use (CD Changer, Sunroof) back in 2002. The 115hp Civic LX didn't have enough pep for her though. She's not too timid behind the wheel.
I imagine the throttle response on the Taurus is actually calibrated to be slower than that of her 4-cyl Accord off the line. Floor them both and the Taurus will run away, but I would think it'd be pretty soft in the first 30% of pedal travel. Can anyone comment?
#4361 of 6854 Re: Biggest Turn-OFF about a model of car [thegraduate]
Dec 26, 2007 (1:28 pm)
OK, that's a good reason to write off most any car (exotics, possibly excepted).