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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5 of 6854 Re: My personal opinion [stevenw]
Jul 24, 2006 (8:53 am)
You could get a fully loaded Chevy Impala SS V8 that has 303 Hp5600 rpms and 323 lbs.-ft. of torque 4400 rpms for under $30,000.
How about a Dodge Caliber RT(not fully loaded) that has 340 Hp 5000 rpms and 390 lbs.-ft of torque 4000 rpms.
Not included in this comparison but a Pontiac Grand Prix GXP V8 fully loaded w/out Navigation that has same Hp and torque as Impala for under $30,000.
Right now there is a $1,000 manufacturer to Dealer incentive for a 2006 Buick Lucerne CXL V8 that has 275 Hp 6000 rpms and 295 lbs.-ft. of torque 4400 rpms for under $30,000 (also not fully loaded).
Your best bet with these cars would probably be the Dodge. It also has the best styling of the 4 above. My point is you could get a V8 for under $30,000, though it sounds like your more used to more upscale sedans.
One of the reasons I started this forum was to see how one could buy a near luxury car at a reasonable price. For example, you could spend equal amounts for a V6 Camry or Accord as the 4 cars mentioned above. They probably aren't as refined as the Camry or Accord but definitely more spacious and more comfortable.
#6 of 6854 Point taken....
Jul 24, 2006 (1:10 pm)
Although I don't consider a Caliber to be a "large sedan". Maybe a Magnum would be more fitting in this comparison. I think a base Magnum is under $30K as well.
#7 of 6854 Re: Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparision [luvmbooty]
Jul 24, 2006 (1:47 pm)
Great suggestion for a new topic! My vote is for the Avalon. Consumer Reports ranked it number 1 in the Large Sedan category. As they said, "The Avalon offers a lot of car for the money. It has a limo-like rear seat that can even recline. The quality of the cabin materials is almost as impressive as that of Toyota's luxury Lexus line. The Avalon rides very comfortably and quietly." Those are consumer reports words, not mine, but I definitely agree with them. Not to mention the engine which is a V6 with 268 HP 6200 RPM and 248 ft-lbs 4700 RPM. All this with a mileage rating of 22 City/31 Highway. In fact, I just returned from a 357 mile trip visiting the in-laws and I actually got even better than that. I got 31.9 MPG and that was driving mostly 70 MPH. Of course you can't get a fully loaded Avalon for under $30K, but you can, and I did, get one that has a lot of great features for less than $30K including the reclining rear seats (great for passengers on long trips) and dual zone automatic climate system (so the wife can set the temp to what she wants and I can set the temp to what I want). Also, as someone else pointed out already, "The Avalon and the Impala also received acceptable crash scores by IIHS." All this made the Avalon the vehicle for me!
#8 of 6854 Re: Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparision [buzz123]
Jul 24, 2006 (5:49 pm)
I like the Avalon, too. I just bought a 2006 RAV4. The engine performs the same and so does the 2007 Camry. I think they all share the same engine. Great performance with descent fuel economy. I just hope either of us don't get a recall.
#9 of 6854 Re: Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparision [luvmbooty]
Jul 25, 2006 (3:12 am)
Yep, you're right about it being the same engine in the Avalon, 2006 RAV4 and 2007 Camry. I know what you mean about all this recall stuff they've been talking about. I hope either of us don't get a recall, too. Actually, we've been thinking of getting the RAV4 to replace my wife's Corolla. Since I got the 2006 Avalon, we'll probably wait another year or two before getting the RAV4 to space out the vehicles a bit. Looks like they did a great job with the redesign. How has your RAV4 been so far?
#10 of 6854 Re: Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparision [buzz123]
Jul 25, 2006 (4:27 am)
Excellent! The drive is smooth and quiet. We bought the V6 4x4 (part time) w/following options:remote start, curtain side airbags, DTR lights, 3rd row seat (children only), roof rack, mud guards, tow prep, and carpet floor mats. It was hard to find the V6 with the third row. Had mostly 4 cyls with 3rd row in NY/NJ area. With the extra weight, you'd want more power, right?
I think the 3rd row is better than Highlander because 3rd row is 50/50 folding and the bay of where the seat folds in to gives you more room for luggage. There really isn't a whole lot but the Highlander's luggage space is nonexistent when seat is up. We payed $25,400 for it.
I recently went to msn.com and saw Consumer Reports has rated it finally. It's the top rated small SUV now beating the previous winner, the Subaru Forester scored 71, RAV4 4cyl scored 77, V6 scored 83.
I wouldn't rule out the Forester because of IIHS.org crash test perfect rating. Back seat is a little cramped but plenty of luggage space. The RAV4s rear seat adjusts forward or back which helps 3rd row leg room.
#11 of 6854 Nissan Maxima
Jul 25, 2006 (6:28 am)
Can you really get a Nissan Maxima for under $30K? If so, I think that it would be very viable for my purposes (rarely more than 4 people in the car). I thought that they went for $33K-$35K, more like an Acura TL. Plus it seems more like a 4 door sports sedan, not in the category of the Toyota Avalon or Chevy Malibu or Chrysler 300.
#12 of 6854 Re: Nissan Maxima [lweiss]
Jul 25, 2006 (7:14 am)
If you get it fully loaded, no! If you get it say with 18" chrome wheels, sunroof, VDC w/full size spare, floor and trunk mats, and colored splash guards the invoice comes to $28,889. Edmunds TMV for these options is adds up to $30,809. If your a good negotiator, I think you could. Did you know the 2006 right now has a rebate of $1,500?
#13 of 6854 Check out these numbers...
Jul 25, 2006 (8:12 am)
2006 Chrysler 300 2.7L base/103 cu ft interior/24 cu ft luggage/MPG 21c, 28h/190 hp6400 rpm/Invoice $22,238-$24,858/IIHS.org G,M,A
2006 Dodge Charger 3.5L SE/103 cu ft interior/24 cu ft luggage/MPG 19c, 27h/250 hp6400 rpm/Invoice $20,983-$29,330/IIHS.org G,M,-
2007 Nissan Maxima 3.5L SE/104 cu ft interior/16 cu ft luggage/MPG 21c, 28h (premium gas)/255 hp6000 rpm/Invoice $25,648-$34,831/IIHS.org G,M,P
2006 Kia Amanti 3.8L base/105 cu ft interior/15 cu ft luggage/200 hp5500 rpm/Invoice $25,510-$27,505/IIHS.org G,-,A
2007 Chevy Impala 3.5L LS/105 cu ft interior/19 cu ft luggage/MPG 20c, 29h/211 hp5800 rpm/Invoice $19,618-$20,968/IIHS.org A,G,P
2006 Toyota Avalon 3.5L XL/107 cu ft interior/14 cu ft luggage/MPG 22c, 31h/268 hp6200 rpm/Invoice $$23,921-$27,880/IIHS.org G,G,P
2007 Hyundai Azera 3.8L SE/107 cu ft interior/17 cu ft luggage/MPG 19c, 28h/263 hp6000 rpm/Invoice $21,901-$24,424/IIHS.org G,A,A
2007 Buick Lucerne 3.8L CX/108 cu ft interior/17 cu ft luggage/MPG 19c, 28h/197 hp5200 rpm/Invoice $24,041-$28,512/IIHS.org G,A,P
2007 Ford Five Hundred 3.0L SEL/108 cu ft interior/21 cu ft luggage/MPG 21c, 29h/203 hp5750 rpm/Invoice $20,966-$26,340/IIHS.org G,G,G
Right now for 2006 Maxima has a rebate of $1,500, 2006 Amanti rebate $3,000, 2006 Impala rebate $2,000, 2006 Azera rebate $1,000, 2006 Lucerne rebate $1,500 and Incentive $1,000, 2006 Five Hundred REBATE $1,000.
Invoice prices listed above refers to the lowest trim only. Probably possible to get higher trims under $30,000 but not if it's fully loaded and how good of a negotiator you are.
Note that EPA city mileage isn't accurate but can be used as a guide.
Also The only large sedan listed with a fully loaded invoice above $30,000 is the Nissan Maxima SE.
All IIHS.org test scores are with side curtain airbags.
#14 of 6854 Re: Point taken.... [stevenw]
Jul 25, 2006 (8:47 am)
Sorry it was a typing error. I ment to print CHARGER!