Last post on Jul 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM
You are in the Sedans
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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3853 of 6854 Re: 2008 Avalon LTD Engine [scbob]
Dec 01, 2007 (6:06 am)
I agree with captain2 100%. I would have a much higher expectation of a BMW than a Dodge Charger. Not to say people can't be satisified with their purchases. I give my BMW a 100% rating including the service department. My Subaru about a 70%. People who buy high-end cars and don't do their homework wind up with less than stellar experiences and it reflects in the ratings. (Actually people who buy any car without doing their homework imo, ends up with less than a stellar experiece.) The Subaru was inexpensive enough to ignore the negative aspects when purchasing, that doesn't mean I don't notice them during daily commuting.
And, the expectation of a BMW is higher than a Subaru in my mind. Which means little issues have a more significant effect on my BMW owners experience than my Subarus owners experience.
#3854 of 6854 Re: What should one expect for 30K vs. 70K? [kdshapiro]
Dec 02, 2007 (5:01 am)
I submit price has nothing to do with expectations of reliability
Agreed - in fact if anything the opposite is true. Reminds me of a recent comparo of sports sedans (3 series, G35, A4 etc) won (of course) by the 330 despite some rather serious and continual computer and other malfunctions during the testing. If I am going to spend the extra money for that BMW/MB/Lexus etc. I expect a dynamically superior ride (better braking/handling etc.) and I also understand that what makes those kinds of cars superior is several levels of sophistication not avaialnble on lesser cars, and with that the sophistication likely comes MORE suspect reliabilities. MB is perhaps the best example of this. Great cars - at a price
#3855 of 6854 Re: Expectations [kdshapiro]
Dec 03, 2007 (6:19 am)
No doubt, as you notice, the statement was made about the two cars I personally owned. In most peoples' minds, it's not so surprising to see a Hyundai or Kia w/paper tags broken down on the side fo the road. However...to see a Lexus, Caddy, BMW or Benz with paper tags, broken down on the side of the road is quite disappointing considering the amount of money that's paid for those cars.
However, you have echoed the very point I made previously...EVERY car has the capacity to break down, no matter how much is paid for it.
#3856 of 6854 Re: 2008 Avalon LTD Engine [alexstore]
Dec 03, 2007 (6:24 am)
Alexstore...the metion of my Camry had nothing to do with weather it was new or used. Yes, when I bought it...it was used. However...the point I was making was that I had to dump all that money into the car in a short period of time. The point of the matter is...the car was a '96 and all of that work was done before the car was even 5 years old!!!
#3857 of 6854 Re: Expectations [allmet33]
Dec 03, 2007 (8:49 am)
. However...to see a Lexus, Caddy, BMW or Benz with paper tags, broken down on the side of the road is quite disappointing considering the amount of money that's paid for those cars.
when I see an expensive car broken down - my first thought 'computet must have crashed' or 'wonder if it is using the latest version of Windows'
#3858 of 6854 Re: 2008 Avalon LTD Engine [kdshapiro]
Dec 03, 2007 (8:55 am)
The survey question is whether or not you are satisfied with your car. I have the same expectations for my Azera that I would for a Lexus, BMW, Infiniti, Avalon, etc.
Admitedly, the others may have some better points, but that is not the question.
#3859 of 6854 Re: Expectations [captain2]
Dec 03, 2007 (8:56 am)
LMAO Probably running a Vista operating system!
I wonder if that new Microsoft Sync system in FoMoCo products will cause any problems.
#3860 of 6854 Re: Expectations [allmet33]
Dec 03, 2007 (9:51 am)
I wonder if that new Microsoft Sync system in FoMoCo products will cause any problems
Don't know, but sure as h--- wouldn't trust it, and these kind of things not limited to just cars - have 2 new (very high tech) home appliances - both of which crapped out and required new coomputer boards, expensive as well, but fortunately covered under warranties. I will never know what was actually wrong with them -- kinda like a friend of mine with a Nissan Titan who got stuck in a bad traffic jam, the computer apparently didn't 'like' the stop n' go, the heat, or something - so it did what is was programmed to do - disable the tranny!
After towing back to the dealer, the service dept. couldn't reproduce the error, of course, simply 'rebooted' the truck - and it has been fine since. To this day, nobody could ever even guess a cause, although Nissan did cough up a few hundred to cover the tow truck only because the computer 'admitted' that IT had experienced a problem.
These fancy computers they are putting in our cars these days are largely reponsible for the power/economies of today's engines and FTM those 'safety' systems that everybody seems to want - but there is a price to be paid ! And it doesn't seem to do any good to gripe about it - these days if it has a 'computer' in it it must be good.
#3861 of 6854 Re: Expectations [captain2]
Dec 03, 2007 (9:59 am)
LOL I feel you on that. Pretty soon, we'll have to call the Geek Squad when our vehicles break down and give them first crack before calling a tow company!
The fact that Microsoft has anything to do with the operating of a car is almost scary.
#3862 of 6854 Re: Expectations [allmet33]
Dec 03, 2007 (11:14 am)
Forget "Serra Honda" (my local dealer), it'll be "Best Buy Honda."